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RedPride97 said:
Thats not how a dui arrest anywhere in this country and it shouldn't. Yeah go to your sister's take her car and go kill someone who done has actually nothing wrong. There's a reason they keep you till you sober up.
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He said he wanted to walk to his sister's house. I am 100% not saying let him continue to drive. I am also not defending the perp if he was in fact under the influence. However, in some parts of the country they do treat the situation as a public health situation and not a crime. As I pointed out, until they attempted to arrest him he was very calm and cooperative.
 
RedPride97 said:
Why does it seem you are defending antifa here those assholes deserve to have their heads cracked
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Antifa seems to be opportunistic and capitalizes on the chaos created AFTER THE POLICE KILL another unarmed person of color. I don't defend Antifa at all, I'm just saying why not just use common sense police tactics instead of focusing solely on what happens after stupid police actions? As I pointed out, there was no reason to shoot the perp in the back. Watch the video, the cop was reaching for his gun way before the dude pointed the taser at him. I said let the fool go and a warrant could have been issued for his arrest - you knew his name and personal information. A taser is defined by case law as a non lethal weapon. They could have also called for back-up and set up a perimeter if they thought he was really a threat to the community. This is wasn't a sophisticated criminal he would have been caught in under an hour.
 
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Antifa seems to be opportunistic and capitalizes on the chaos created AFTER THE POLICE KILL another unarmed person of color. I don't defend Antifa at all, I'm just saying why not just use common sense police tactics instead of focusing solely on what happens after stupid police actions? As I pointed out, there was no reason to shoot the perp in the back. Watch the video, the cop was reaching for his gun way before the dude pointed the taser at him. I said let the fool go and a warrant could have been issued for his arrest - you knew his name and personal information. A taser is defined by case law as a non lethal weapon. They could have also called for back-up and set up a perimeter if they thought he was really a threat to the community. This is wasn't a sophisticated criminal he would have been caught in under an hour.
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It's 2020 lets drop the person of color shit if the guy was white the same shit would have happened. The only difference you wouldn't have heard about it. You resist arrest take a cops taser bad shits gonna happen no matter what color you are this gentleman was black so it fits the media's narrative. Unarmed whites get shot to but we don't get that front page.
 
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bigdawgrefwmd said:
Awesome, We Need More Conservative Voters When The Liberals Have People Voting from Communist China & Terrorist Groups Like Black Lives Matter & Antifa
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Headline: "KKK officially endorses Donald Trump"

BigDawg response: "Awesome"

Thank you for confirming what we already suspected about you. Nothing else needs to be said.
 
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bigdawgrefwmd said:
Awesome, We Need More Conservative Voters When The Liberals Have People Voting from Communist China & Terrorist Groups Like Black Lives Matter & Antifa
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At the rate were going the 3% might have to gaurd polling stations come November god knows liberals will just let the hordes have there way
 
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RedPride97 said:
It's 2020 lets drop the person of color shit if the guy was white the same shit would have happened. The only difference you wouldn't have heard about it. You resist arrest take a cops taser bad shits gonna happen no matter what color you are this gentleman was black so it fits the media's narrative. Unarmed whites get shot to but we don't get that front page.
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I agree with some of this. You are speaking in general terms about the arrest though and I am talking about the technical and judgmental problems with the arrest. After the assault on the police and he's running away the bad decision to shoot a man in the back is what created the problem. Call for back-up, set up a perimeter, issue a warrant. It wasn't Antifa, to keep referring to Antifa is not addressing the root cause of the problem.

We probably disagree with the racial component. If this same guy is white, wearing a suit and driving a 2020 BMW, and he resists arrest, takes taser and runs away, I don't think he gets shot in the back.
 
BoyznBlue said:
Headline: "KKK officially endorses Donald Trump"

BigDawg response: "Awesome"

Thank you for confirming what we already suspected about you. Nothing else needs to be said.
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dude I could care less what you think of me. Who cares that The KKK was supporting Trump back in 2016 and he denounced them, do you think they were gonna switch and vote for any Liberal? Why in the hell would anyone do that? Liberal thinking does not use common sense, they believe there is some magical wand and they can wave it and make everyone love everyone and give everything away free.
Sorry Not Sorry, There is Consequences to all actions and liberals just don't understand that.
Just like thinking that a CRIMINAL that is Drunk should be able to hit a Cop, wrestle another Cop and take the cops taser and then use the taser on the cop and not get shot. DUDE I'm all for sending those kinds of people out in body bag. I'm Far Right and want nowhere near the left side on anything.
When You Drive Drunk You Should Never Drive Again in This Country, maybe 1 time is bad enough but there is people still driving with 3,4,5 & 6 DUI's screw that just lock em up for life.
When People Are Violent With Police..... Shoot Them in The Head and Move on, No Police Officer Should Have to Deal with that and they should only worry if they are going home safe to their family at night.
if someone breaks into a house there should be no questions asked and the homeowner should defend his family and property by sending the perp out in a bag.
it's simple eye for an eye......
 
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BoyznBlue said:
I agree with some of this. You are speaking in general terms about the arrest though and I am talking about the technical and judgmental problems with the arrest. After the assault on the police and he's running away the bad decision to shoot a man in the back is what created the problem. Call for back-up, set up a perimeter, issue a warrant. It wasn't Antifa, to keep referring to Antifa is not addressing the root cause of the problem.

We probably disagree with the racial component. If this same guy is white, wearing a suit and driving a 2020 BMW, and he resists arrest, takes taser and runs away, I don't think he gets shot in the back.
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Ok im white don't wear a suit work boots carhartts and a tshirt drive a beat up pick up you think they wouldn't shoot me
 
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bigdawgrefwmd said:
dude I could care less what you think of me. Who cares that The KKK was supporting Trump back in 2016 and he denounced them, do you think they were gonna switch and vote for any Liberal? Why in the hell would anyone do that? Liberal thinking does not use common sense, they believe there is some magical wand and they can wave it and make everyone love everyone and give everything away free.
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I work with a lot of conservatives and have many friends on the right and I personally consider myself a moderate. I have voted for democratic and republican candidates. If your response to anything about the KKK is "awesome" let that speak for itself. As you said, you don't care what I think about you. I actually appreciate your honesty.
 
RedPride97 said:
Thats not how a dui arrest anywhere in this country and it shouldn't. Yeah go to your sister's take her car and go kill someone who done has actually nothing wrong. There's a reason they keep you till you sober up.
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Anytime anyone who owns or has access to a car is drunk, they have the potential to get in that car and drive. At anytime. Always. Whether youre drunk on your couch or at a bar or at your sister's house - you can decide to get in a car and drive. Preventing a person from driving or continuing to drive and making sure they are safe is all the police are supposed to do. It doesnt matter where you sober up, as long as the officer prevents you from continuing to operate the vehicle THEY observed you in.

Case in point, I personally had a friend who was pulled over, issued a DUI after a stop, and also had some additional charges from that stop. After a visit to the police station, about 2 hours later his sister was permitted to pick him up and drop him off at my place, and his car was taken to the impound until he was able to arrange to pick it up. They didnt keep him until he was sober. Its not a requirement to do so.
 
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BoyznBlue said:
I work with a lot of conservatives and have many friends on the right and I personally consider myself a moderate. I have voted for democratic and republican candidates. If your response to anything about the KKK is "awesome" let that speak for itself. As you said, you don't care what I think about you. I actually appreciate your honesty.
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I've seen nothing about the KKK in Years, they were up on Washington Street a few years ago and they didn't scare anybody as most of them looked like goofballs that would run if you said BOO!! They don't scare me, I don't Support them on anything the same way I will never Support Black Lives Matter or Antifa, they are all nut jobs with no life!!
I also would never fly a confederate flag but don't have a problem that others do, that's there RIGHT to do so.
again whether it's a Black,White,Brown, Green or purple Person I'm all for Taking their life when need be, the laws are just plain dumb in most of these states and it's mainly because liberal thinking.
The Police in This Countries hands are now tied all because a few dirt bags that are drunk or drugged up committed crimes and got killed and everyone boo hoo's for them like they were some great person and then tries to make them a Hero!!
People need to be accountable for their actions, Parents need to be accountable for their kids and not blame others for their mistakes.
When I got in trouble almost 20 years ago it was my fault and mine alone, I took Responsibility for it and to tell ya the Truth The System went to light on me and I never spent a night in jail and I still to this day think the system is a mess.
 
RedPride97 said:
It's 2020 lets drop the person of color shit if the guy was white the same shit would have happened. The only difference you wouldn't have heard about it. You resist arrest take a cops taser bad shits gonna happen no matter what color you are this gentleman was black so it fits the media's narrative. Unarmed whites get shot to but we don't get that front page.
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Furthermore, they had already run ID on the guy and knew he was on probation for child abuse.... bad enough that he had served two years for actually beating a child. He had one DUI so he was going back to jail for a second one and violating parole. The guy was not going home to sleep it off.

He was violent. Any reasonable person knows that. He beat two cops and stole their taser. He fired it at a cop. He needed to be stopped from running amuck in the neighborhood. This entire flimsy shit about shooting someone in the back is right out of the 'Lone Ranger' mystique akin to shooting a gun out of someone's hand. It's being peddled to fit a narrative. The guy was a violent thug in the process of doing violent thuggish things that could end someone else's life.

Truth be told, if the cop had shot him right when the taser was fired we would have heard 'he only had a taser' crap. The guy was violent, not to be let loose in a neighborhood. And what do we have: burn down the Wendy's... send more mobs to the streets to burn down black businesses - all for a guy who beats children and was on his way to running around a neighborhood with a cop's taser.

This isn't even thin gruel. It's absurd.
 
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bigdawgrefwmd said:
I've seen nothing about the KKK in Years, they were up on Washington Street a few years ago and they didn't scare anybody as most of them looked like goofballs that would run if you said BOO!! They don't scare me, I don't Support them on anything the same way I will never Support Black Lives Matter or Antifa, they are all nut jobs with no life!!
I also would never fly a confederate flag but don't have a problem that others do, that's there RIGHT to do so.
again whether it's a Black,White,Brown, Green or purple Person I'm all for Taking their life when need be, the laws are just plain dumb in most of these states and it's mainly because liberal thinking.
The Police in This Countries hands are now tied all because a few dirt bags that are drunk or drugged up committed crimes and got killed and everyone boo hoo's for them like they were some great person and then tries to make them a Hero!!
People need to be accountable for their actions, Parents need to be accountable for their kids and not blame others for their mistakes.
When I got in trouble almost 20 years ago it was my fault and mine alone, I took Responsibility for it and to tell ya the Truth The System went to light on me and I never spent a night in jail and I still to this day think the system is a mess.
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This is easy. I don't support Antifa, they are bad guys. Nothing they do is awesome. Black Lives Matter is a slogan, in itself it's not threatening. It's a response to unarmed black people repeatedly being killed and the assailant not being charged and/or convicted. They are not a formal organization to my knowledge. If anybody under the banner of Black Lives Matter says or does anything criminal, bigoted or contrary to the ideals of the United States of America I don't support it and it's not awesome. The KKK historically has blood on their hands. They have killed people. I don't see anything even remotely "awesome" about them. I'm not judging you and I didn't put any words in your mouth. As I said previously, let your response speak for itself when you said the KKK headline was "awesome", and I do appreciate your honesty.
 
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Furthermore, they had already run ID on the guy and knew he was on probation for child abuse.... bad enough that he had served two years for actually beating a child. He had one DUI so he was going back to jail for a second one and violating parole. The guy was not going home to sleep it off.

He was violent. Any reasonable person knows that. He beat two cops and stole their taser. He fired it at a cop. He needed to be stopped from running amuck in the neighborhood. This entire flimsy shit about shooting someone in the back is right out of the 'Lone Ranger' mystique akin to shooting a gun out of someone's hand. It's being peddled to fit a narrative. The guy was a violent thug in the process of doing violent thuggish things that could end someone else's life.

Truth be told, if the cop had shot him right when the taser was fired we would have heard 'he only had a taser' crap. The guy was violent, not to be let loose in a neighborhood. And what do we have: burn down the Wendy's... send more mobs to the streets to burn down black businesses - all for a guy who beats children and was on his way to running around a neighborhood with a cop's taser.

This isn't even thin gruel. It's absurd.
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Didn't know this fellow was a child abuser. Changes my opinion the officers deserve medals one more ass hole gone and i don't give a shit what color he was
 
Lagmeister said:
Furthermore, they had already run ID on the guy and knew he was on probation for child abuse.... bad enough that he had served two years for actually beating a child. He had one DUI so he was going back to jail for a second one and violating parole. The guy was not going home to sleep it off.

He was violent. Any reasonable person knows that. He beat two cops and stole their taser. He fired it at a cop. He needed to be stopped from running amuck in the neighborhood. This entire flimsy shit about shooting someone in the back is right out of the 'Lone Ranger' mystique akin to shooting a gun out of someone's hand. It's being peddled to fit a narrative. The guy was a violent thug in the process of doing violent thuggish things that could end someone else's life.

Truth be told, if the cop had shot him right when the taser was fired we would have heard 'he only had a taser' crap. The guy was violent, not to be let loose in a neighborhood. And what do we have: burn down the Wendy's... send more mobs to the streets to burn down black businesses - all for a guy who beats children and was on his way to running around a neighborhood with a cop's taser.

This isn't even thin gruel. It's absurd.
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You love to talk facts but then you want to bring in fluff that has nothing to do with anything. I keep talking about police tactics and decision making. If he was on probation that means he had already served his sentence, not sure why that is relevant. I guess your point is he was predisposed to be violent but the video doesn't show that. The video contradicts just about everything you are saying so you have to bring up this other fluff.

Fact #1: He was non-violent for over 40 minutes during the incident, until the police became violent towards him. The video shows he was completely compliant and passive.

Fact #2: You just said something totally untrue - "shooting someone in the back" is not out of the 'Long Ranger' mystique, it's basic police training! Is there one police department in the country that teaches that technique?

Fact #3: Case law has established that a Taser is a non-lethal weapon. You can get mad about this but this is what the courts have ruled. Once again the video shows the cop reaching for his gun before the taser is turned toward him. He's going to have a difficult task explaining that at trial.

I agree he wasn't a good guy that night, fought with police, driving under the influence, etc., but poor police judgment is the reason why we are talking about this right now. The dummy was on foot, call for back-up set up a perimeter, bring in the dogs and he's in custody within an hour. Now the stupid cops are sitting up in jail.
 
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You love to talk facts but then you want to bring in fluff that has nothing to do with anything. I keep talking about police tactics and decision making. If he was on probation that means he had already served his sentence, not sure why that is relevant. I guess your point is he was predisposed to be violent but the video doesn't show that. The video contradicts just about everything you are saying so you have to bring up this other fluff.

Fact #1: He was non-violent for over 40 minutes during the incident, until the police became violent towards him. The video shows he was completely compliant and passive.

Fact #2: You just said something totally untrue - "shooting someone in the back" is not out of the 'Long Ranger' mystique, it's basic police training! Is there one police department in the country that teaches that technique?

Fact #3: Case law has established that a Taser is a non-lethal weapon. You can get mad about this but this is what the courts have ruled. Once again the video shows the cop reaching for his gun before the taser is turned toward him. He's going to have a difficult task explaining that at trial.

I agree he wasn't a good guy that night, fought with police, driving under the influence, etc., but poor police judgment is the reason why we are talking about this right now. The dummy was on foot, call for back-up set up a perimeter, bring in the dogs and he's in custody within an hour. Now the stupid cops are sitting up in jail.
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until the police became violent towards him. The video shows he was completely compliant and passive.


They placed him politely under arrest, turned him calmly around, whereupon he then violently broke free and started resisting arrest. He battered the cops. When one cop tried to taser him into submission he grabbed it and then continued to batter the cops until he broke free. It's all on vid.

reaching for his gun before the taser is turned toward him....it's basic police training! Is there one police department in the country that teaches that technique?

I would expect it. A seminal 1985 Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner, held that the police may not shoot at a fleeing person unless the officer reasonably believes that the individual poses a significant physical danger to the officer or others in the community, which he did. He was violent.... he was drunk... he had a police taser and used it.
 
Lagmeister said:
until the police became violent towards him. The video shows he was completely compliant and passive.


They placed him politely under arrest, turned him calmly around, whereupon he then violently broke free and started resisting arrest. He battered the cops. When one cop tried to taser him into submission he grabbed it and then continued to batter the cops until he broke free. It's all on vid.

reaching for his gun before the taser is turned toward him....it's basic police training! Is there one police department in the country that teaches that technique?

I would expect it. A seminal 1985 Supreme Court case, Tennessee vs. Garner, held that the police may not shoot at a fleeing person unless the officer reasonably believes that the individual poses a significant physical danger to the officer or others in the community, which he did. He was violent.... he was drunk... he had a police taser and used it.
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You and I disagree on this situation, and respect your opinion. After the trial we'll have to revisit this post and see how the court rules.
 
BoyznBlue said:
You and I disagree on this situation, and respect your opinion. After the trial we'll have to revisit this post and see how the court rules.
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Thanks for the nice respectful post. To me, by the time this goes to trial the country could change so much the outcome could be anything. I thought every one of the cops who participated in Freddie Gray's death was culpable but they all got off. So, who the hell knows.
 
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Right, remember Dylan Roof got Burger King?
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Roof Didn't Resist Arrest or try to fight the cops, he was pulled over showed his licence and said I'm Dylann Roof. “He was very quiet, very calm. He didn’t talk,” Ledford said. “He sat down here very quietly. He was not problematic.”
 
bigdawgrefwmd said:
Roof Didn't Resist Arrest or try to fight the cops, he was pulled over showed his licence and said I'm Dylann Roof. “He was very quiet, very calm. He didn’t talk,” Ledford said. “He sat down here very quietly. He was not problematic.”
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Evil son of a bitch but still had the common sense not to fight the police
 
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U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 45,000 in one day, total surpasses 2.5 million

Reopen they said... :rolleyes:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/27/us-...han-45000-as-states-roll-back-reopenings.html
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Like the rest of it... It's a scam to get the promised insurance and fed money.....

Health officials in Texas are logging every single COVID-19-positive hospital patient in the state as a COVID-19 hospitalization, even if the patients themselves are admitted seeking treatment for something other than the coronavirus.

Lindsey Rosales, a spokeswoman for the Texas Department of State Health Services, confirmed to Just the News this week that the state is categorizing every inpatient in the state with a positive COVID-19 test as a COVID-19 hospitalization.


"The number of hospitalized patients includes patients with a lab-confirmed case of COVID-19 even if the person is admitted to the hospital for a different reason," Rosales said.


Asked if inpatients in the state are tested for COVID-19 whenever they arrive for treatment, Rosales said, "Hospitals set their own protocols for determining when and if to test patients for COVID-19."

Riot.... Riot... Riot.... Kung flu.... Kung flu.... Kung flu.

https://justthenews.com/politics-po...t-counting-every-covid-positive-hospital-case
 
This is the only stat America needs:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/individual-states

Look how many people are getting tested now. What part doesn't any one get?

On June 26 America tested 637,000 people for COVID
On April 15 America tested 138,000 people for COVID

Only 4% to 7% of the US is testing positive. A month or two ago 15% to 20% was testing positive. Some of you will never get it.
 
20 countries in Europe have opened school and are playing sports. Look around outside your box of fear pussy cat.

While more than 20 European countries have reopened schools, America seems unable even to approach the problem rationally.
https://prospect.org/coronavirus/we-need-to-reopen-schools/

LAST PARAGRAPH SUMS UP AMERICA COMPARED TO EUROPE
At the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic early this year, public-health authorities were basing their judgments about schools on earlier experience with the role of children in spreading influenza. Now we know that COVID-19 is different, and we ought to make different policies accordingly, as the Europeans have. There’s a school lesson here for Americans. Children are thankfully being spared by this disease. But they also need to be spared from the misplaced anxieties of adults.
 
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U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 45,000 in one day, total surpasses 2.5 million

Reopen they said... :rolleyes:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/27/us-...han-45000-as-states-roll-back-reopenings.html
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Yea, can't understand why schools, church, beaches and businesses need to be opened.
SFS - Selective Fear Syndrome


CORONAVIRUS MATTERS :rolleyes:
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I can't believe there is still people that think we shouldn't have reopened everything and live in such fear because of a flu virus that attacks mostly older people. it was 3 months and it's gonna be around for a long time. I guess liberals won't be happy until the whole Country closes down and business everywhere close for good and the Government has to keep sending out free money just to get by, that was always the liberal way, let's give away free shit.
Thanks but no thanks, they can keep closing and I will go on with life
 
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