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I didnt even think about TJ as a neutral sight. That is absolutely brilliant even though they wont go with itI know that teams earn home field advantage; however, so do teams in every other MPSSAA sanctioned sport yet football is the only sport where the semifinals are not played at a neutral site. I wouldn't mind traveling to a neutral location for a semifinal game, especially if both semifinal games were played at the same location back to back (most likely on a Saturday), just like every other sport.
With that being said, the rules are what the rules are currently and I can understand why Catoctin would fight tooth and nail against moving this game because if they have one small advantage, its getting Fort Hill off the turf. However, I think TJ would be a great option for a neutral site venue, only a few miles from Thurmont, plenty of seating, tons of parking and still grass. And at the risk of sounding like a jerk, the grass is probably in pretty good shape considering no football was played on it this year.
This announcement is disheartening. The worst part about this stadium is parking according to Catoctin people. There are roughly 150 parking spots at the school. I sent a friend to the stadium on Sunday and his report was be prepared to walk up to 1 or 1.5 miles on a main highway from where you park. There is no parking on the freeway in front of the school nor is there much space through out the community. The fact they are not providing a shuttle service from a mile away is not good.
Divide the seats in half? There are less seats available than what the FH gymnasium has to offer. There will be no seating. So if you are an elderly person be prepared to sit on a grass hill the last day of November or if you are lucky they may find a spot up top to squeeze in a folding chair.
I handled this situation with some dignity but at this point I am unequivocally stating that Catoctin should NOT be able to host this event. It does not come close to providing adequate parking, seating and handicap accessibility. This letter response is general and says nothing other than a reminder that general admission tickets can be bought in advance and bring a blanket to sit on.
My thoughts exactly!In all fairness to Catoctin, with regards to parking, the on site parking (i.e. parking spots physically on the school grounds) is comparable to Fort Hill and just a quick look at Google, may actually be a little more than Fort Hill. Its been a long time since I have been to Catoctin for a game so I cannot say yes or no to them providing shuttles for other games, but I highly doubt they have done this in the past. Frankly, places to put a large number of cars in the town of Thurmont are few and far between, outside of 1 or 2 small shopping centers, and my guess is they do not want game traffic taking up their parking lot anyways.
There is a pretty large subdivision across the street from the school (turn left onto Rouzer Ln) and that is probably your best bet once the school lot is full. Those should be public roadways so as long as you aren't blocking anyone's driveway or a fire hydrant, I don't think they can stop you from parking there. You will have to cross 550 but there is a crosswalk and a sidewalk up to the school. There is also area to park along 550 between Sheetz and the school (not a ton of space but some). There is also a sidewalk all along there that runs up to the school as well.
Now the facilities themselves, that's a whole different topic.
I couldn’t agree more!They are 29-5 over their last three seasons. So I think the coach knows how to win just fine. This is the same coach that lead them to a 14-0 record and a state championship in 09.
Is Catocitn consistently at the top level of 1a every season? No, but nobody is except FH and Dunbar. Over the last 3 seasons though Catoctin has been near the top of the second group of teams behind them.
Frankly man, a majority of you FH faithful seem concerned. Why do I say this when you all have said nothing but we are going to blow them out? The other crap you all are saying. "They don't want us there" "They are making it hard for us to come". What? Sounds like you guys are grasping at straws trying to find something to make sure your team is fired up and ready to go. Franky I don't understand the statements. How does we wont have a shuttle equate to they dont want you here? It makes zero sense. They have never had a shuttle for games. Anybody who wants to come just has to get in a car and drive on down. EVERYBODY is going to have trouble parking, not just FH fans. EVERYBODY is going to struggle finding a seat, not just FH fans. So dude quit the boohooing, get in your car Friday afternoon and come down and enjoy, contrary to what you believe, a good football game.
They are 29-5 over their last three seasons. So I think the coach knows how to win just fine. This is the same coach that lead them to a 14-0 record and a state championship in 09.
Is Catocitn consistently at the top level of 1a every season? No, but nobody is except FH and Dunbar. Over the last 3 seasons though Catoctin has been near the top of the second group of teams behind them.
Frankly man, a majority of you FH faithful seem concerned. Why do I say this when you all have said nothing but we are going to blow them out? The other crap you all are saying. "They don't want us there" "They are making it hard for us to come". What? Sounds like you guys are grasping at straws trying to find something to make sure your team is fired up and ready to go. Franky I don't understand the statements. How does we wont have a shuttle equate to they dont want you here? It makes zero sense. They have never had a shuttle for games. Anybody who wants to come just has to get in a car and drive on down. EVERYBODY is going to have trouble parking, not just FH fans. EVERYBODY is going to struggle finding a seat, not just FH fans. So dude quit the boohooing, get in your car Friday afternoon and come down and enjoy, contrary to what you believe, a good football game.
In all fairness. I don't believe the main beef being made is about the field itself. It's about accessibility, which is I think is pretty reasonableTotally agree. How dare Catoctin and their fans have the audacity to actually believe they can win the game! How crazy is it that they should want to play a game at home rather than at a neutral site?
Yes, I understand that their place is small. Yes, I understand that for this game their parking will be lacking. I understand that Catoctin does not have the facilities of Greenway. And you will say, " Then move it to a nearby field that can accommodate everyone easily." Then I must ask how Big Red Nation would feel if they had decided even one of the past playoff games from Greenway to Mt Ridge because they had better turf? Allegany County Schools are very fortunate in that they just happen to have the 2 best football facilities hands down in 1A west. It's easy to look down your nose at the other places when you are used to the best.
I see response that "This is War..." and he hopes "Fort Hill treats it as such..." "smacking them around their little cornfield". I usually enjoy reading BigDawg's postings as he often adds some interesting info, but it is this arrogant attitude that often makes it exceedingly difficult for those of us who aren't usual fans to support FH. I always find myself pulling for any team from the west bringing a title back to our area, but I can also appreciate the fact that Catoctin has worked hard this year as well, and their players and fans want to win just as badly. And... they want to preserve any advantage that may help them achieve that.. understandable.
No shit thats why you play to winTotally agree. How dare Catoctin and their fans have the audacity to actually believe they can win the game! How crazy is it that they should want to play a game at home rather than at a neutral site?
Yes, I understand that their place is small. Yes, I understand that for this game their parking will be lacking. I understand that Catoctin does not have the facilities of Greenway. And you will say, " Then move it to a nearby field that can accommodate everyone easily." Then I must ask how Big Red Nation would feel if they had decided even one of the past playoff games from Greenway to Mt Ridge because they had better turf? Allegany County Schools are very fortunate in that they just happen to have the 2 best football facilities hands down in 1A west. It's easy to look down your nose at the other places when you are used to the best.
I see response that "This is War..." and he hopes "Fort Hill treats it as such..." "smacking them around their little cornfield". I usually enjoy reading BigDawg's postings as he often adds some interesting info, but it is this arrogant attitude that often makes it exceedingly difficult for those of us who aren't usual fans to support FH. I always find myself pulling for any team from the west bringing a title back to our area, but I can also appreciate the fact that Catoctin has worked hard this year as well, and their players and fans want to win just as badly. And... they want to preserve any advantage that may help them achieve that.. understandable.
Ironically allot of the drugs in Cumberland came out of frederick countyMy Posts was heated for sure, for 2 days I've read on Facebook How This Team is going to beat FH and this and that. People talking about how we are lucky to have a Stadium that was totally funded by The State and that we have nothing in Cumberland but a Drug Opioid problem and trash.
Catoctin People Stated that they have had big games and other events at the stadium before and with the very limited seating and parking that they have ran shuttles to local shopping centers in the past, they come out with a School Announcement saying they will NOT Have Shuttles.
They Post that they are dividing the seats in 1/2 for each of the 2 Schools fans, I just smell something fishy.
I am more mad that the MPSSAA is so horrible and behind the times and how smaller poorer states like WV is so much ahead of us in the way they handle sports Championships and really the whole system.
In MD we have a goofy playoff system with regions that mean nothing as the teams don't even play each other. We have Sports where every team makes the playoffs because participation Trophies are a big thing these days. WV can send teams on 8-9 road trips but in MD 2-4 hours is just too far to go.
They have a very nice State Basketball and Football Championship in WV and in MD they rent out big places like Ravens Stadium or Navy Stadium and the place is empty and has no real feel to it. They have Real Media Sessions with the players and Coaches and give the kids Trophies, in MD they give these kids a $5 Medal. In WV they have approved Stadiums to Host Playoff Games, where they make sure the seating, lockerrooms, Restrooms Parking and such meet their standards and yet in Maryland they allow teams to host games with lockerroms 300 yards away in the School, Some with Bleachers on 1 side, some schools with no seating area at all and some places have no parking.
Sometimes I see it as so bad that there is so many great Stadiums all over the State that I'm not sure why they don't look at having host sites for these games and the state would make so much more money off of it as we all know the way they are doing the playoffs and cutting the regular season down to 9 games is All About Money.
FACEBOOK COMMENTS and Yes I understand Comments come from both sides but these are from Catoctin People
Other Comments:
hell do u all have around there a good stadium thats about it every thing else looks ran down maybe section 8 possibly
isn’t your town the slums?
that’s a stadium that will be empty Friday because you didn’t earn home field advantage so it doesn’t matter how nice you think it is
I’ve got nothing! Years of following the message boards told me this would be the reaction. Too bad they didn’t get far enough in 2009 to travel to Thurmont
The world only revolves around FH football in Cumberland. And I repeat.....it’s a good thing that they are relevant year in and year out. Otherwise there would be nothing worth talking about in Cumberland. You keep wanting to talk shit. Here’s a news flash for ya......I don’t give a shit! As a matter of fact, I am quite proud that my sons team would have kicked the shit out of FH.
Ok yes Forthill has a impressive stadium but no parking. Last year I drove 3 hours to watch my boy and his team play Forthill there was NO PARKING For the Catoctin fans. We sat in with Forthill fans, listen to our boys getting hazed, by the way hazing is bullying and against school policy, and the parents and student fans were treated very poorly. And not once did the Catoctin fans whine, cry or complain. Get over it. By the way I hope to god it does rain after watch Forthill players tip toe though water puddles so they wont get wet or dirty because our boys can handle getting a little dirty to play a game they love.
from the sounds of these comments they don't travel...I think I read they haven't had an away game since 2010.
bands aren’t supposed to travel to away games ... and there’s two big hills for a reason
you should just stay home so your loss does not hurt so much.
There’s probably enough room at Catoctin for *all seventeen* Fort Hill fans
Catoctin gonna whip that ass! Hope you get there early to get. Seat to watch!
Keep in mind Catoctin fans there are only 2 things in Cumberland. Drugs and Football.
This announcement is disheartening. The worst part about this stadium is parking according to Catoctin people. There are roughly 150 parking spots at the school. I sent a friend to the stadium on Sunday and his report was be prepared to walk up to 1 or 1.5 miles on a main highway from where you park. There is no parking on the freeway in front of the school nor is there much space through out the community. The fact they are not providing a shuttle service from a mile away is not good.
Divide the seats in half? There are less seats available than what the FH gymnasium has to offer. There will be no seating. So if you are an elderly person be prepared to sit on a grass hill the last day of November or if you are lucky they may find a spot up top to squeeze in a folding chair.
I handled this situation with some dignity but at this point I am unequivocally stating that Catoctin should NOT be able to host this event. It does not come close to providing adequate parking, seating and handicap accessibility. This letter response is general and says nothing other than a reminder that general admission tickets can be bought in advance and bring a blanket to sit on.
My Posts was heated for sure, for 2 days I've read on Facebook How This Team is going to beat FH and this and that. People talking about how we are lucky to have a Stadium that was totally funded by The State and that we have nothing in Cumberland but a Drug Opioid problem and trash.
Catoctin People Stated that they have had big games and other events at the stadium before and with the very limited seating and parking that they have ran shuttles to local shopping centers in the past, they come out with a School Announcement saying they will NOT Have Shuttles.
They Post that they are dividing the seats in 1/2 for each of the 2 Schools fans, I just smell something fishy.
I am more mad that the MPSSAA is so horrible and behind the times and how smaller poorer states like WV is so much ahead of us in the way they handle sports Championships and really the whole system.
In MD we have a goofy playoff system with regions that mean nothing as the teams don't even play each other. We have Sports where every team makes the playoffs because participation Trophies are a big thing these days. WV can send teams on 8-9 road trips but in MD 2-4 hours is just too far to go.
They have a very nice State Basketball and Football Championship in WV and in MD they rent out big places like Ravens Stadium or Navy Stadium and the place is empty and has no real feel to it. They have Real Media Sessions with the players and Coaches and give the kids Trophies, in MD they give these kids a $5 Medal. In WV they have approved Stadiums to Host Playoff Games, where they make sure the seating, lockerrooms, Restrooms Parking and such meet their standards and yet in Maryland they allow teams to host games with lockerroms 300 yards away in the School, Some with Bleachers on 1 side, some schools with no seating area at all and some places have no parking.
Sometimes I see it as so bad that there is so many great Stadiums all over the State that I'm not sure why they don't look at having host sites for these games and the state would make so much more money off of it as we all know the way they are doing the playoffs and cutting the regular season down to 9 games is All About Money.
FACEBOOK COMMENTS and Yes I understand Comments come from both sides but these are from Catoctin People
Other Comments:
hell do u all have around there a good stadium thats about it every thing else looks ran down maybe section 8 possibly
isn’t your town the slums?
that’s a stadium that will be empty Friday because you didn’t earn home field advantage so it doesn’t matter how nice you think it is
I’ve got nothing! Years of following the message boards told me this would be the reaction. Too bad they didn’t get far enough in 2009 to travel to Thurmont
The world only revolves around FH football in Cumberland. And I repeat.....it’s a good thing that they are relevant year in and year out. Otherwise there would be nothing worth talking about in Cumberland. You keep wanting to talk shit. Here’s a news flash for ya......I don’t give a shit! As a matter of fact, I am quite proud that my sons team would have kicked the shit out of FH.
Ok yes Forthill has a impressive stadium but no parking. Last year I drove 3 hours to watch my boy and his team play Forthill there was NO PARKING For the Catoctin fans. We sat in with Forthill fans, listen to our boys getting hazed, by the way hazing is bullying and against school policy, and the parents and student fans were treated very poorly. And not once did the Catoctin fans whine, cry or complain. Get over it. By the way I hope to god it does rain after watch Forthill players tip toe though water puddles so they wont get wet or dirty because our boys can handle getting a little dirty to play a game they love.
from the sounds of these comments they don't travel...I think I read they haven't had an away game since 2010.
bands aren’t supposed to travel to away games ... and there’s two big hills for a reason
you should just stay home so your loss does not hurt so much.
There’s probably enough room at Catoctin for *all seventeen* Fort Hill fans
Catoctin gonna whip that ass! Hope you get there early to get. Seat to watch!
Keep in mind Catoctin fans there are only 2 things in Cumberland. Drugs and Football.
Not yet anywayFolks should resent the trash comment. Cumberland ain't Baltimore.
So basically the same thing they say about Cumberland, people on here say about Baltimore, including you. (Literally as I typed this, Lag proved the point.) And do you want to post some of the stuff people up here are saying about Catoctin, to let their fans see?My Posts was heated for sure, for 2 days I've read on Facebook How This Team is going to beat FH and this and that. People talking about how we are lucky to have a Stadium that was totally funded by The State and that we have nothing in Cumberland but a Drug Opioid problem and trash.
Catoctin People Stated that they have had big games and other events at the stadium before and with the very limited seating and parking that they have ran shuttles to local shopping centers in the past, they come out with a School Announcement saying they will NOT Have Shuttles.
They Post that they are dividing the seats in 1/2 for each of the 2 Schools fans, I just smell something fishy.
I am more mad that the MPSSAA is so horrible and behind the times and how smaller poorer states like WV is so much ahead of us in the way they handle sports Championships and really the whole system.
In MD we have a goofy playoff system with regions that mean nothing as the teams don't even play each other. We have Sports where every team makes the playoffs because participation Trophies are a big thing these days. WV can send teams on 8-9 road trips but in MD 2-4 hours is just too far to go.
They have a very nice State Basketball and Football Championship in WV and in MD they rent out big places like Ravens Stadium or Navy Stadium and the place is empty and has no real feel to it. They have Real Media Sessions with the players and Coaches and give the kids Trophies, in MD they give these kids a $5 Medal. In WV they have approved Stadiums to Host Playoff Games, where they make sure the seating, lockerrooms, Restrooms Parking and such meet their standards and yet in Maryland they allow teams to host games with lockerroms 300 yards away in the School, Some with Bleachers on 1 side, some schools with no seating area at all and some places have no parking.
Sometimes I see it as so bad that there is so many great Stadiums all over the State that I'm not sure why they don't look at having host sites for these games and the state would make so much more money off of it as we all know the way they are doing the playoffs and cutting the regular season down to 9 games is All About Money.
FACEBOOK COMMENTS and Yes I understand Comments come from both sides but these are from Catoctin People
Other Comments:
hell do u all have around there a good stadium thats about it every thing else looks ran down maybe section 8 possibly
isn’t your town the slums?
that’s a stadium that will be empty Friday because you didn’t earn home field advantage so it doesn’t matter how nice you think it is
I’ve got nothing! Years of following the message boards told me this would be the reaction. Too bad they didn’t get far enough in 2009 to travel to Thurmont
The world only revolves around FH football in Cumberland. And I repeat.....it’s a good thing that they are relevant year in and year out. Otherwise there would be nothing worth talking about in Cumberland. You keep wanting to talk shit. Here’s a news flash for ya......I don’t give a shit! As a matter of fact, I am quite proud that my sons team would have kicked the shit out of FH.
Ok yes Forthill has a impressive stadium but no parking. Last year I drove 3 hours to watch my boy and his team play Forthill there was NO PARKING For the Catoctin fans. We sat in with Forthill fans, listen to our boys getting hazed, by the way hazing is bullying and against school policy, and the parents and student fans were treated very poorly. And not once did the Catoctin fans whine, cry or complain. Get over it. By the way I hope to god it does rain after watch Forthill players tip toe though water puddles so they wont get wet or dirty because our boys can handle getting a little dirty to play a game they love.
from the sounds of these comments they don't travel...I think I read they haven't had an away game since 2010.
bands aren’t supposed to travel to away games ... and there’s two big hills for a reason
you should just stay home so your loss does not hurt so much.
There’s probably enough room at Catoctin for *all seventeen* Fort Hill fans
Catoctin gonna whip that ass! Hope you get there early to get. Seat to watch!
Keep in mind Catoctin fans there are only 2 things in Cumberland. Drugs and Football.
Then folks should probably do something to change the trash town. Baltimore ain't Cumberland... It just supports it completely because Cumberland is too poor to pay for anything itself.Folks should resent the trash comment. Cumberland ain't Baltimore.
Maybe you should run for mayorThen folks should probably do something to change the trash town. Baltimore ain't Cumberland... It just supports it completely because Cumberland is too poor to pay for anything itself.
So basically the same thing they say about Cumberland, people on here say about Baltimore, including you. (Literally as I typed this, Lag proved the point.) And do you want to post some of the stuff people up here are saying about Catoctin, to let their fans see?
If high school playoffs are this important to you, move the two miles south it will take you to reach west virginia.
Then folks should probably do something to change the trash town. Baltimore ain't Cumberland... It just supports it completely because Cumberland is too poor to pay for anything itself.
in Cumberland we have an Opioid problem that happens everywhere but the problems in Cumberland started when the Prisons were built and brought many with problems to the area because it was cheaper to live here and be close to family members in prison and they just settled here and can make a good living selling to locals and killing them as well. Check out the Police Log every day and see how many are from Baltimore Area and Not Locals
Baltimore city is the 21st-highest-income Maryland location by income per capita ($25,062)
Baltimore Schools? According to data obtained by WMAR-2 News, more than 2500 teachers have voluntarily left the school district over the course of the last three years.
These two educators are talking about their own school. Northwood Appold Community Academy II, or NACA II.
“I think the enrollment rate of the mice is higher than the students.”
“The truth needed to be told about what was going on with the children.”
They asked us to disguise their identities because they are worried speaking out may come with consequences and retaliation.
“Fear. Basically,” one of the teachers explained. “Fear of tarnishing my reputation. They are known for causing trouble.”
That is a fear only matched by the threat these educators say they faced every day inside the building.
“It’s violent in there,” the teacher stated.
“Every day there’s three or four fights in the school. Fires are being set,” recalled the other. “One student threw a book at a teacher and hit her in the eye.”
Project Baltimore analyzed school surveys for NACA II, which are filled out by students. Based on a scale of 1-100, 100 being the best, students are asked a series of questions, including if they feel safe in the classroom.
We also found only 24 percent of students surveyed they would stay at NACA II if given the option to leave.
“It’s a very bad atmosphere,” said the educator. “It’s unhealthy for the students to be there.”
One of the teachers told us of a student who was found with a pound of marijuana in his locker a few weeks before graduation. Project Baltimore isn’t identifying the student because disciple records are sealed. But we did find a lengthy criminal record for him outside of school. He is currently awaiting trial on 32 felony and misdemeanor charges related to armed carjacking last November. He’s out on $250,000 bail. Yet, he was allowed back in the school and walked at graduation.
President Trump Called it a Rat Infested Shit hole.... well Because it is
The Streets are Not Safe to Walk on let alone be having High School Sporting Events.
Hell I was at an Orioles Game a few years back and leaving to the parking lot there was 100's of rats running like a Parade and The locals said that's normal..... oh no the hell it's not normal
it may happen and you might be used to to it but there's nothing normal about it.
We had The Baltimore Riots a few years ago and we had to send in the National Guard to try to clean up the streets and they were told to stand down and allow the thugs to do whatever they wanted including beating on Police Cars, stomping on them as well because The Mayor was afraid to hurt their feelings...
Better to reign over a river of shit than to serve in heaven is what you're saying?Maybe you should run for mayor
And what we got is paid for by BaltimoreWell.... drugs are rampant. It's a prison town. I offer that up every now and then. I just haven't seen the piles of trash in and around even the abandoned homes.... maybe some uncut grass.
Then again, I only get up there a couple/three times a year and don't exactly go driving around looking for problems. Bottom line to me: Cumberland is a town that sustains three small high schools. One gave up football. One had football give up on them.... and one is a football school. Be proud of what you got I guess.
Baltimore is responsible for 60% of the entire GDP of Maryland. Allegany has received more government funding from the state than any almost any other county in the state. That new school on Haystack. More money came from Baltimore than came from Cumberland to build it.in Cumberland we have an Opioid problem that happens everywhere but the problems in Cumberland started when the Prisons were built and brought many with problems to the area because it was cheaper to live here and be close to family members in prison and they just settled here and can make a good living selling to locals and killing them as well. Check out the Police Log every day and see how many are from Baltimore Area and Not Locals
Baltimore city is the 21st-highest-income Maryland location by income per capita ($25,062)
Baltimore Schools? According to data obtained by WMAR-2 News, more than 2500 teachers have voluntarily left the school district over the course of the last three years.
These two educators are talking about their own school. Northwood Appold Community Academy II, or NACA II.
“I think the enrollment rate of the mice is higher than the students.”
“The truth needed to be told about what was going on with the children.”
They asked us to disguise their identities because they are worried speaking out may come with consequences and retaliation.
“Fear. Basically,” one of the teachers explained. “Fear of tarnishing my reputation. They are known for causing trouble.”
That is a fear only matched by the threat these educators say they faced every day inside the building.
“It’s violent in there,” the teacher stated.
“Every day there’s three or four fights in the school. Fires are being set,” recalled the other. “One student threw a book at a teacher and hit her in the eye.”
Project Baltimore analyzed school surveys for NACA II, which are filled out by students. Based on a scale of 1-100, 100 being the best, students are asked a series of questions, including if they feel safe in the classroom.
We also found only 24 percent of students surveyed they would stay at NACA II if given the option to leave.
“It’s a very bad atmosphere,” said the educator. “It’s unhealthy for the students to be there.”
One of the teachers told us of a student who was found with a pound of marijuana in his locker a few weeks before graduation. Project Baltimore isn’t identifying the student because disciple records are sealed. But we did find a lengthy criminal record for him outside of school. He is currently awaiting trial on 32 felony and misdemeanor charges related to armed carjacking last November. He’s out on $250,000 bail. Yet, he was allowed back in the school and walked at graduation.
President Trump Called it a Rat Infested Shit hole.... well Because it is
The Streets are Not Safe to Walk on let alone be having High School Sporting Events.
Hell I was at an Orioles Game a few years back and leaving to the parking lot there was 100's of rats running like a Parade and The locals said that's normal..... oh no the hell it's not normal
it may happen and you might be used to to it but there's nothing normal about it.
We had The Baltimore Riots a few years ago and we had to send in the National Guard to try to clean up the streets and they were told to stand down and allow the thugs to do whatever they wanted including beating on Police Cars, stomping on them as well because The Mayor was afraid to hurt their feelings...