That looks like a pretty large offensive line.... and doesn't FH, a 1A school, have offensive and defensive lines. Not exactly 1A ironman football is it.
The talent gap in football has gotten ugly
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That looks like a pretty large offensive line.... and doesn't FH, a 1A school, have offensive and defensive lines. Not exactly 1A ironman football is it.
The rain didn't set in until right before the half.... so, it wasn't as if Dunbar didn't have an opportunity to air it out..... Oh well. So now, this year's team is about 10 players short of what it should be.
No different than quitting a team that's been on your schedule for 80 years. Cant look at quitting one as being ok, while quitting the other is wrong.
Why martinsburg doesn’t pick up a better schedule? idk but I know it isn’t because they dont want to travel in the playoffs, for 3 years straight they’ve been 20 plus points better than everyone in the state of WV, also martinsburg is the notch that I talk about in football that is better than this area so in my opinion not a team nor fan in this area should talk about martinsburg I get it’s an old rivalry for a team or some teams but all of this is over now so y’all should probably get over martinsburg and their accomplishments and stop talking about them and their program cause to me as a martinsburg fan I would hate to see them talk bad about a team that would smoke them or a team that they don’t play anymore.
One is the young athlete learning to keep commitments as part of his maturation process. The other is the yearly decision by the school that schedules the games. Difference is lightning to a lightning bug.
I warned people that had invested interest in certain programs to not read what I had to say. But once again, I was even harder on FH. Then I ripped into Keyser. This isn't just a Martinsburg issue so there is no finger pointing at one particular school. But all three of these teams are very good at football and they are all blistering 80% to 90% of their opponents by embarrassing scores.
Again,Martinsburg just travelled to Salem Virginia to play Salem high school.Salem is 177-28 since 2004 and have 3 state titles and a runnerup in the last 5 years. They finished ranked #1 in the all school state poll in 2017 and have finished 2nd 3 times and 3rd and 5th once since 2004.Not bad for a 4A school in a state that has 6 classes and plays very good football.Martinsburg also plays Academy Park Pa. and Sherando.Nothing wrong with their schedule.Anyone who says they don't challenge themselves is just plain stupid.Martinsburg has no issues.
Keyser has 6 WV 2A playoff teams from last year on their schedule.Nothing wrong with their schedule.
This is the last time I am going to point this out...FH and Keyser should be playing a football game, period. They are the two best area teams most every season, they play in every other sport, they play football against each other at every youth league level, they are 30 min apart and they are the same size and classification. And they both have great coaching staffs.
If you or anyone find it much better for Keyser to drive 3 hours to Weir, 3.5 hours to Nicholas County and 5 hours to Man in an effort to bypass a $30,000 gate/concessions against a team 30 minutes away that your kids have competed against their entire life up until this point...then you go ahead and preach about how good Keyser is to the people of Cumberland.
Learning how to react to losses is just as important to the maturation process. Backing down from a challenge because it's hard is quitting whether it's during or out of the season.
Why because they blow out a bunch of shit DC schools wv 3a is a shit class aside from martinsburg
The FH schedule is also fine. I would like to see a Middletown rather than an ECP and I would rather see Keyser than SOA. It’s nobody’s fault Motown is down. It’s no ones fault that Alco is down. Motown Middletown Hburg Keyser Alco Hedgesville Ridge is a good schedule. I’m glad Geno don’t have your job Helmick. We’d be 5-4 and may not make the playoffs. How dumb would that be while sitting there watching Northern and Mt Ridge take the West when FH would beat them both by 50? Keep in mind also Mt Ridge just beat FH freshmen. And the Patriots aren’t dominant
I said this in the other thread, and as unpopular as it may seem - Keyser dropped FH for the same reason FH dropped Martinsburg. It has nothing to do with school size, it has to do with competitiveness and playoff points. Period.
I was about to say this, FH made the decision to drop Martinsburg. From everything I understand this series can be renewed at any time if FH is willing to play them.
That would be great if we could get the people at the top to schedule the game. I would rather watch FH loose to martinsburg than play the shit teams they are playing now.
Fort Hill is not going to play Martinsburg. Martinsburg is not going to play dematha. Kaiser is not going to play fort Hill. We live in a society where everyone is afraid to lose
Absolutely correct. That summarizes my entire post. I was hard on all of them.
Guess I finally got tired of watching the 63-0 beatings these 3 teams put up week in and week out. A few games I can understand, but every week is way too much. Play each other.
This is only the situation west of Hagerstown. DC/Balt/Moco you can't pick and choose your schedule. There's going to be a titanic game Friday night at Quince Orchard.
In my opinion the schools that martinsburg plays like hd Woodson, eastern, academy park, sherando, and Salem are as equally talented can’t help these programs get out coached how i see it. I get the arguments on here about the talent gap but to me all those teams are equally talented as martinsburg is. Now the area schools also I get like fort hill they are head and shoulders above everyone in their respected area/areas.
I agree with most, if not all, of what you have said burg. Unfortunately, there are a few on this board who completely want to dismiss coaching as one critical component to the success of a program. They want to simply make the claim that one team has more talent or a deeper bench. At the same time 140 lb. players are starting on both sides of the ball at FHHS. They fail to see that, as Hinze Ward once said, “Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard.”
The previous is not the fault of players. It is the level of commitment the program requires, and it begins and ends with coaching.
A coaching staff brings much more to the table than Xs and Os. A successful program is based on the commitment of coaches, players and the community.
I see both by Coach Walker and his program at MHS and by Coach Appel and his staff at FHHS.
Do other programs work hard? I’m sure they do, but not at the same level as the Bulldog and Sentinel programs on an annual basis.
Yes, there is a huge difference between a successful program, regardless of extra-curricular activity, and a program that is simply existing.
One final note: Yes, I would like to see FHHS and MHS playing each other again.
I agree with you guys 100% I would love to see martinsburg challenge their program but that’s not my call. Lol I’m just a fan but we aren’t going to act like
home and away.
I get this gut feeling that discussing Keyser playing FH again is because of where Allegany is going. With Allegany losing to both Northern and Southern this year, Alco may lose even more players, especially if FH wins another championship.
Instead of the patter that Northern may fold football in the future, the real focus should be on what kids actually show up to play for an Allegany team that loses to every other local team while getting 100 points dropped on them by FH... Hell, why shouldn't Appel want another record for his books.
Instead of the patter that Northern may fold football in the future, the real focus should be on what kids actually show up to play for an Allegany team that loses to every other local team while getting 100 points dropped on them by FH... Hell, why shouldn't Appel want another record for his books.
At the same time 140 lb. players are starting on both sides of the ball at FHHS
This Halloween, the Cumberland peasants should gather their pitchforks and march menacingly up to the castle on Fort Hill, for it is rumored that Appel Frankenstein is making monsters again. This time, he is collectively attaching the arms and legs of Agamemnon to Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.
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A couple of the schools you named ill give you but you guys beat eastern 76 to 6 thats what we are talking about. Martinsburg is a great historic program i think everyone just would like to see more competitive football.
I don’t think Sherando was able to beat Fort Hill. I may be mistaken but I believe they d ropped Fort Hill because of it also. Fort Hill and Sherando were very good games. I would say that Academy Park is avg at best andWoodson sucks. Stop trying to justify the fact that Martinsburg will not play anybody on their level. Everyone knows it. We’re not picking on Martinsburg we are fort Hill fans predominately and Fort Hill does the same thing. It’s gotten to be an epidemic.
And... eventually the epidemic consumes the host organism. The collapse of Allegany is a critical, sad phase of that disease.
Not to hijack this thread but here's the link to the Martinsburg - Salem game from this past week in case you had not seen.....nice crowd and nice facility at Salem.....and nice Martinsburg team.
Is Fort Hill coming to Erie next year to play Prep? I was looking forward to it.
I think it depends on whether they can get a game to fill their season with a team that more than a dozen people want to pay to watch.
These posts for me literally take less than a minute. I talk to text and I am not interested in spellchecking. I’m only interested in making a point
This is it. Right here. 100%.
It's been pointed out more than once that Alco/FH freshman/JV games have been pretty competitive in the past. But once those kids get to varsity, it's very one-sided in FH's favor. That's all coaching and development.
Last year, Alco was down a varsity assistant coach. This year, they brought Foley back. Which is better than nothing and he's an experienced guy, but Alco either needs an influx of new staff or possibly an entire flush.
Maybe there's an echo in here.. but Randy Stewart would be a good place to start.
Randy Stewart is the best kept secret in this town in terms of coaching. He would be my choice. He was with Refosco in the golden era and was a great player and student of the game but most of all he has the God given talent to attract student athletes
No sir not justifying the teams they schedule are great but talent wise sir they are just as talented as martinsburg hd Woodson has 6 d1 players on their roster academy park also has a good program with some talent, sherando always gives martinsburg a good game with the exception of this season hd Woodson has also won a game against martinsburg in the past I get what you guys are saying I truly do but but I can’t sit here and read these comments like the teams martinsburg plays are comparable to a silver oak, green st academy or a Salem to be honest
i agree they could play better opponents year in and out I agree but I’m not going to say they’re more talented than the teams, hd Woodson has beat martinsburg in the past once, eastern is a joke for sure sherando has also beat martinsburg in the past so the those two teams are justifiable. I’m just saying the teams they play also have talent I just feel coaching is the problem. Like I continue to say I follow all three teams FH Alco and martinsburg and I’m a fan of all three cause of the tradition all three have no matter the schedules or how bad a year either are having. But yes martinsburg could definitely schedule better teams to test themselves.
That’s great points. You’re right that they do not play a green street academy or silver oak. But Fort Hill has no business playing them either. I really would like to see them play a top team though, It’s sad when we have to debate if they could beat Cathedral prep or not. Martinsburg really does have great athletes and they are very balanced between the pass and run. If they were able to beat a top 50 team in the country it would be very cool. Hell there’s no reason that wise and martinsburg shouldn’t be playing based on success and geography.
I agree 100% I honestly wish martinsburg would challenge themselves as a football fan in general you want to see these successful programs do it but I understand also that it’s out of my control. lol I wish I could talk to coach walker and tell him to play them I know a lot of Nationally ranked schools reach out to him to play him but he says no, he said this in an interview.
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