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Congrats to Mountain Ridge. Their defense played lights out tonight. I think FH had like 12 plays that went for negative yardage.
Not trying to diminish anything, but I am confused and maybe if there is a referee or someone familiar with rules that can chime in here and help everyone to understand what happened, then please do.
In the second half the game is tied at 7-7. Mountain Ridge had a 4th and 2 at midfield. They went for it. The QB rolls right towards the FH bench, gets hit and fumbles. FH picks it up and returns the fumble 50 yards for a touchdown. After the play is over and two refs are signaling touchdown, the refs decide to take the 6 points off the board and bring the ball back to midfield and let Mountain Ridge run 4th down all over again. No time out was called and there was no flag. Except this time it is now 4th down and 4, not 4th down and 2. Mountain Ridge decides to punt and pins FH back inside their own 25. If the refs blew the play dead then at worst it is FH ball at midfield because it was 4th down and they did not make the yard to gain. Everyone is so confused.
There was much more to this game than just that one play, but it seemed to break the back of FH. I have no idea what the call was. A guy I know on the sidelines said there must have been an inadvertent whistle because the ref on the opposite sideline thought the Mtn Ridge QB recovered the fumble. But if that is the case then the ball is dead right there and it is FH ball going the other way.
Unless the JV squad has beaten them previously it has to be. Varsity hasn't.Is this the first time Mtn. Ridge has beaten Fort Hill in a football game?
I believe this actually is. I went back as far as 2009 on the FH website and couldnt find a single one. Ridge finally got one over on them after 12 yearsUnless the JV squad has beaten them previously it has to be. Varsity hasn't.
I believe it is the first time they beat FH and if I'm not mistaking the first time they beat Allegany's JV team.Is this the first time Mtn. Ridge has beaten Fort Hill in a football game?
FH lost both starting guards this week. One who got moved to varsity just minutes before kickoff. They replaced him with a kid who had never played there. They got crushed up the middle. Then FH had their best RB ejected in the first half. Excuses, excuses, blah, blah. FH JV doesn't use the 9th graders with a freshmen team. It's like playing with 12th graders only on varsity. But I like it for developmental purposes.
Every area team seems to have a good number of 9th and 10th graders on varsity. Small ball at its best. But the accidental blown whistle that changed the game as a kid was fumbling was the worst call I have seen all year. Don't believe it was accidental. I mean who blows the whistle as a kid is fumbling? LOL.
Yea that call was a head scratcher. The question I have is what is an inadvertent whistle? If the ref blows it because he thought forward progress had been stopped or that the ball carrier's knee was down when he fumbled then that is the call, not an inadvertent whistle. It would be the question from the head official to ask why the whistle was blown, then make a decision accordingly. But to just say do the 4th down play over again didn't make sense, especially in that situation. That was as bad of a call as I have seen in a few years. It made no sense.
A. During a legal forward pass or during a legal kick, if there's an IW, the down must be replayed (if all penalties are declined). No options.
B. If there's a backward pass, fumble, illegal forward pass or illegal kick and an IW occurs while ball is still loose, the team who lost possession can choose to take the ball at the spot where they lost the ball or to replay the down (if all penalties are declined).
C. If a player is in possession of the ball when an IW occurs, the team in possession can choose to take the ball at the spot when the whistle was blown, or to replay the down (if all penalties are declined).
D. An accepted penalty for a live-ball foul nullifies an IW and we enforce the penalty using the normal all-but-one principle.
FH lost both starting guards this week. One who got moved to varsity just minutes before kickoff. They replaced him with a kid who had never played there. They got crushed up the middle. Then FH had their best RB ejected in the first half. Excuses, excuses, blah, blah. FH JV doesn't use the 9th graders with a freshmen team. It's like playing with 12th graders only on varsity. But I like it for developmental purposes.
Every area team seems to have a good number of 9th and 10th graders on varsity. Small ball at its best. But the accidental blown whistle that changed the game as a kid was fumbling was the worst call I have seen all year. Don't believe it was accidental. I mean who blows the whistle as a kid is fumbling? LOL.
If any one is ranting it's you donkey dick. Read what you type.So now Danny Bauer, who is a better man than you are (and actually played) is out there reffing so he can intentionally help teams win who are playing against Fort Hill? Yeah, I'm sure.
Let's keep in mind that you don't coach, ref, work the chains on the sideline, drive the band trailer or do anything to help the local kids that you stalk all year around. Danny, like a lot of other guys in the area, is at least out there doing something to get involved and help out with the collective effort.
You're on a real streak the past few days, village idiot.
If you really want to see people cry about local refs by name then read what your other blue ball fans type here about FH Greenway home cooking PhoneyIsland. What, are you blind as well? If you spent as much time helping kids as you do crying here Alco would be unbeatable.
If any one is ranting it's you donkey dick. Read what you type.
So just to be clear, in the middle of the biggest play of the game upto that point on 4th down an official 25 yards away on the other side of the field blows his whistle accidentally as soon as a player fumbles the football. Yea right. I understand bad calls. Officials are human. But I was not born yesterday. FH still had opportunities to win so I don't know anyone blaming the loss on a ref. There was also a phantom pass interference call in the last 2 minutes that gave FH another life. I did not see any interference so a bad call went against MR too. I have no issue with a bad call. But to blow your whistle as a kid fumbles is not a bad call. Why did he blow the whistle?I was told his answer was he didn't know why. OK.
If you really want to see people cry about local refs by name then read what your other blue ball fans type here about FH Greenway home cooking PhoneyIsland. What, are you blind as well? If you spent as much time helping kids as you do crying here Alco would be unbeatable.
Like I said, When your own blue balls are on here counting penalties in FH games you have nothing to say hypocrite. Your entire life on this forum revolves around what FH is doing or what Alco used to do. I've been complimentary of MR the whole time here. Congrats on helping a couple of kids Mr. Big Time. I have raised more money with fundraisers helping local pee wee and youth league teams than you will in a lifetime. If you want to continue the personal assaults with every post I make we can go there donkey dick. Maybe you and Bauer can go rob the liquor store in your Riddell coaching shorts and original cut off mesh Alco jersey. BloW the whistle while the play is still happening. HAHAHA. Good one.Yes! I knew we could get that emotion back. You never let us down, CoachBrian.
You stated that Danny Bauer intentionally blew the whistle so that Ridge could have another shot at a first down. Because of that and pretty much everything else you whine about, you're an idiot, who tries to continually fuel FH vs. Alco issues when in fact, there aren't any.
Also, just because you didn't see any pass interference, doesn't mean that there wasn't pass interference. Because as we all know, even though you just recently claim to have played, you are not a referee.
I appreciate the compliment that if I spent time helping kids, Alco would be unbeatable. But you're giving me way too much credit, because I'm not a football coach. Although 3 of the 5 kids I did train with while playing in college and shortly after did get money to play in college themselves, and their W2's are already higher than yours.
Also, not sure if you know.. but contrary to your claim at the beginning of the season, FH's starting QB is in fact Danny King
As I believe someone had pointed out in am earlier post, we believe the refs misinterpreted the rule, or just flat out spotted the ball wrong the second time.Did the fumble happen to occur 2 yards behind the LOS with the IW
Ridge should have gotten the opition to
A) take the play = No Way Defense had scored
B) Replay the down from the LOS which was 4th and 2
How did they get to 4th and 4 instead
CryinH1974 wants a medal for selling coffee cakes as pee wee games and buying Hot Stove Easter candy.Like I said, When your own blue balls are on here counting penalties in FH games you have nothing to say hypocrite. Your entire life on this forum revolves around what FH is doing or what Alco used to do. I've been complimentary of MR the whole time here. Congrats on helping a couple of kids Mr. Big Time. I have raised more money with fundraisers helping local pee wee and youth league teams than you will in a lifetime. If you want to continue the personal assaults with every post I make we can go there donkey dick. Maybe you and Bauer can go rob the liquor store in your Riddell coaching shorts and original cut off mesh Alco jersey. BloW the whistle while the play is still happening. HAHAHA. Good one.
Like I said, When your own blue balls are on here counting penalties in FH games you have nothing to say hypocrite. Your entire life on this forum revolves around what FH is doing or what Alco used to do. I've been complimentary of MR the whole time here. Congrats on helping a couple of kids Mr. Big Time. I have raised more money with fundraisers helping local pee wee and youth league teams than you will in a lifetime. If you want to continue the personal assaults with every post I make we can go there donkey dick. Maybe you and Bauer can go rob the liquor store in your Riddell coaching shorts and original cut off mesh Alco jersey. BloW the whistle while the play is still happening. HAHAHA. Good one.
"Like I said, When your own blue balls are on here counting penalties in FH games you have nothing to say hypocrite."
You'll have to explain to me how I'm a hypocrite whenever I didn't disagree with the fact that the whistle shouldn't have been blown. To be clear, which I know is hard for you to comprehend without getting your feelings hurt and talking in circles about a bunch of irrelevant things, and for the third time: what I disagree with is your claim that it was blown by a former Alco player to intentionally cheat FH.
"Your entire life on this forum revolves around what FH is doing or what Alco used to do."
Actually, again, if you could read and comprehend beyond a 3rd grade level, I've always stated that FH is a very solid and well run program. I also don't get what you mean by "what Alco used to do" because it's not about what Alco used to do - it's about what Alco needs to do get better. I do understand that your emotions cloud your ability to see that, though.
"I've been complimentary of MR the whole time here."
Irrelevant - nothing in our responses to one another has anything to do with Ridge. Again (4th time) it spurred from your claim that a former Alco player blatantly tried to cheat FH. Not about who FH was playing.
"Congrats on helping a couple of kids Mr. Big Time. I have raised more money with fundraisers helping local pee wee and youth league teams than you will in a lifetime."
The congrats are all on your side - it must be very rewarding to sell no-bake cookies and Joe Corbi pizzas door to door. But my check to the stadium committee was more than your mortgage for three months. Actually, based on averages and the market rankings, more like 5-6 months. Private donations make up a big part of the fund, so since you're there 2-3x per week during season, you're welcome.
"If you want to continue the personal assaults with every post I make we can go there donkey dick."
They're not personal assaults. They're motivation for you to work on your emotional intelligence and communications/comprehension skills.
"Maybe you and Bauer can go rob the liquor store in your Riddell coaching shorts and original cut off mesh Alco jersey. BloW the whistle while the play is still happening. HAHAHA. Good one."
For the second time, I'm not a coach. And the staffs for both schools back in the day wore the Bike coaching shorts... Riddell made the helmets. You would've known that if you'd actually played.
Rob a liquor store? I don't see the motive there, sorry.
PS - Turns out Danny King is FH's QB, btw
I hope I was not the one that started this officiating debate that took over the good things Mountain Ridge had accomplished. Then I realized that is what this forum does. So I felt obliged to start another thread.
My officiating questions about the inadvertent whistle play being discussed on this thread were based on my mathematical/rules organization of football nerd qualities and curiosity. I just was looking for an explanation on the rules and an explanation as to what was actually called.
My fact gathering concludes that the IW rules were followed but they messed up the respotting of the ball for whatever reason. What I'm still not 100% sure about has nothing to do with the IW rules, but more about what constitutes an IW.
If a player is running down the sideline for a touchdown and the official blows the whistle saying he stepped out at the 10 yard line, even though the player did not...that is not an IW. Don't go back and replay the down. Spot the ball at the 10.
If a QB is getting sacked and fumbles and the official blows the whistle saying his arm was going forward...that is not an IW. Don't go back and replay the down. Incomplete pass.
If a player fumbles the ball (as we saw last night) and the official blows the whistle saying forward progress was stopped or the runner's knee was down or the fumble was recovered by the offense...that is not an IW. Don't go back and replay the down. Spot the ball there.
The definition to me of an IW using common sense is when an official blows the whistle for no apparent reason as the play is still live. Yea, then the offense should get to go back and replay the down...and the official basically admits he screwed up and for some unexplainable reason he blew wind into the whistle.
So to rephrase in a nutshell, why did the official blow the whistle?
1) he thought forward progress had stopped, play over
2) he thought the runner was down, play over
3) he thought the fumble was recovered by someone, play over
4) he thought someone called time out, which case someone is charged a time out
5) he has no clue why he blew the whistle
The first four are not an inadvertent whistle.
Sounds about Right to Me.....Can’t we all just get along and admit that Trump is the greatest president and Appel is the greatest coach.
Sorry I couldn’t help myself.
Correct, the definition of HYPOCRITE is not you ranting. It's you having zero to say when a FH official is accused of cheating.
In case you haven't noticed, few here respond to you because it is a waste of time. Go back to class PinkyRing.Actually, the definition of hypocrite would be you claiming an Allegany grad made the call while never making that same claim about FH grads.
Also the definition of hypocrite would be you saying Coney attacked people who donate time or money to football, all while you continue to attack Coney, who donates time and money to football. What type of joke are you to complain about a man who has obviously donated more than you have.
The definition of hypocrite is also you never saying anything to the same FH posters who every week claim that the refs are out to get the sentinels, despite that repeatedly being proven false.
Did they not tell everyone in south end that you werent supposed to swim in the water plant? That raw sewage has worked it's way to your head and you now have shit for brains, dont you.
Dont worry, no one on here expects you to be able to understand any of this, we just expect you to live up to the CryinH1974 moniker you've earned time and time again.
You forgot reason #6, Todd...
6) The ref who blew the whistle hates FH so much that he attempted to cheat them out of the game in front of everyone watching, and was confident that no one would notice his intent.
My guess, and I didn't see it, but based on what logical people have said here, is that Danny either thought forward progress was stopped, the runner was down, or he just flat out screwed up and thought the play was over from his viewpoint. Actually, it sounds like he screwed up either way you look at it. But intentionally? Idk, I guess anything is possible.
The only thing missing in this thread is Lag telling us we are just just red-clad jacket circle jerking. LOL. Hope he is alright.
And FYI, Rose's Department Store is a larger size Dollar type store that also sells clothing and is located in the former Gee Bee's building which later became Value City I believe. I buy my name brand motor oil in there dirt cheap. But the clientele there makes Walmart look like high society. Apparently BrianH still buys his shorts there.