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Frankfort schedule is embarrassing

I don't disagree with your post. What I have a problem with is the Frankfort fan base who want to shout to anyone who will listen that they are the area king of the hill. Unless Frankfort is willing to face that king of the hill, they can't lay claim to that hilltop.
I hear ya...but in all reality it's a very loud, but small group of fans who really think that way. They are king of their hill...in their world. And that's fine.

Like I said, their coaches and AD are very aware that they are not on the same hill. Pun intended.
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There are many ways to get your point across without calling a high school student athlete terrible. I for one have stated on here more than once, that since the quad I believe #11 gives FH more upside than does #8. Not as a criticism towards # 8, but just my opinion of what I see, without knowing the inner workings of practice sessions, and film study. Calling high school student athletes terrible is just a horrible take. Coddle and pamper these kids and their feelings? No, not a big fan of that either, but there are ways for adults to do better to encourage these kids in a positive manner. Just one mans opinion.

Thoughts on Criticism

This post is rather clear - it is not anti-constructive criticism.

It is about misplaced criticism directed by individuals with no direct communication with a team or team members on a day-to-day basis. There is quite a difference.

Constructive criticism comes from coaches - not fans on an anonymous forum.

If it makes you happy and proud to criticize any player, especially in an anonymous manner, well…

Have a good day, All.

How much more terrible does #8 have to play

4R341, you seem like a sensible person. When u say using the jersey number to identify a kid to bust his chops on here is ok, it’s not. You might as well use his name. Everyone knows who “8” is. When a poster uses the jersey # to say a kid was injured or whatever that’s different. I have 2 ?s for u.
Did u play and what if your son was that kid?
You're right. The jersey number allows you to cross-reference the player if you know where to look. However, it's been used on here for years to reference both bad and good gameplay. Sometimes it's a coach. Sometimes a kid makes a boneheaded play. That's life. We all mess up. Constructive, and sometimes not-so-constructive, criticism can motivate a struggling player. But if not, we learn from it and move on. Even ignore it if it's people being asshats. If you can't live with that, don't play in a spectator's sport. People watch and talk. Either on here or in real life. You're not going to stop that.

Now, if a kid commits an illegal crime on or off the ball field, I don't think it should be discussed on here. And, sometimes that happens on here, too.

No, I didn't play on an official team, but played a lot recreationally without pads. I went to FH, and while I wanted to play, it ,just never happened. My fault. I focused on academics. I still love football, though, including FH football. And, I still thoroughly understand the game.

My son did play pee wee, but after that he developed a damn video game addiction. He still went out and played football all through high school with his friends just as I did - without pads. He just wouldn't commit to the dedication required for organized play.

Had he played and would've been criticized his feelings would've been hurt. Human nature to not like any kind of criticism. When he was little I worked long and hard with him to improve his ability and understanding of the game. Myself, I probably would've been butt hurt when someone insulted him, but I would've used it as a tool to further motivate him. If he's not good enough, he's not good enough. It's a team sport. The best players should play or the whole team suffers. Kids need to be taught how to lose and not internalize it. Parents could help with this if they wanted to instead of trying to protect them from the harsh reality of life. Sometimes the coaches decisions, especially where there's the perception of nepotism or cronyism, need to be called out. It's the team as a whole who loses when you don't play your best players.

I'm not saying to come on here and be disrespectful (e.g. calling people names, etc.). But some kids are taught by their parents to not accept the truth when it hurts their feelings. That is a much worse insult to the young man's learning and development as a man. They don't need some safe space where they can hide from the truth. Do that and you're setting them up for failure and disappointment and some seriously thin skin. They'll just run away any time they're criticized.

Frankfort schedule is embarrassing

I don't disagree with your post. What I have a problem with is the Frankfort fan base who want to shout to anyone who will listen that they are the area king of the hill. Unless Frankfort is willing to face that king of the hill, they can't lay claim to that top.
Ric Flair said it best...."To be the man, you gotta beat the man. Woooo!"

Frankfort schedule is embarrassing

I don't disagree with your post. What I have a problem with is the Frankfort fan base who want to shout to anyone who will listen that they are the area king of the hill. Unless Frankfort is willing to face that king of the hill, they can't lay claim to that top.
Things never change - same thing happened in 1975 when Ridgeley HS won the WV A title and Fort Hill won the A (now 3A) title. A lot of jaw-jacking went on from that side of the river but Ridgeley/Frankfort did not show up on the FH schedule for a long time....and when it did, it didn't last long. 2 years and done.
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Frankfort schedule is embarrassing

As I have been told by very good, level headed Frankfort fans (in the know) who understand football...the coaches and AD are very aware that Frankfort would not be competitive against FH 99% of the time in football. They don't care about Fort Hills schedule woes and the proposed gate. Their booster club is over flowing with money and they can afford to travel wherever they want. They would rather take the chance to lose to an in state opponent than FH.

A Frankfort-FH game ONLY benefits Fort Hill. To help with our schedule and to have a nice gate. Frankfort doesn't care. They don't need to care. And FH fans need to stop giving a shit what Frankfort does. Most of their fans are focused on what they're doing and hoping they can get a title, or at least several home playoff games.

This game against Williamstown is a huge deal for them. It's getting a lot of play in the WV scholastic sports media, and it's a big hubbub that all their fans are stoked about. They don't give two shits that FH wants to play them.

Yeah you have a couple of those dumbass fans who like to say they'd beat FH and all that jive. They're dumbasses. Stop entertaining them.


Frankfort doesn't owe FH anything nor do they care if FH is flummoxed at their decision not to play. Hell, Northern and Southern wouldn't play FH if they didn't have to. It's an unfortunate situation for FH. They play like a big school but are a small school.

Other big schools don't want to chance a loss for low point risk ..and other small schools know they can't compete

That's Fort Hill's cross to bear, no one else's. Move on from Frankfort, it's not going to happen.
I don't disagree with your post. What I have a problem with is the Frankfort fan base who want to shout to anyone who will listen that they are the area king of the hill. Unless Frankfort is willing to face that king of the hill, they can't lay claim to that hilltop.
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How much more terrible does #8 have to play

4R341, you seem like a sensible person. When u say using the jersey number to identify a kid to bust his chops on here is ok, it’s not. You might as well use his name. Everyone knows who “8” is. When a poster uses the jersey # to say a kid was injured or whatever that’s different. I have 2 ?s for u.
Did u play and what if your son was that kid?

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Although I agree with what you said they are getting paid now. NIL is legal in high school. Tons of kids are now saying if I dont get the ball more I am tranferring. They helped to create this hideous me situation and parents make it worse. Social media is a blessing and a curse not a one way street. This is not the same world anymore like it or not and kids need to learn now to live in the world they helped create.
very well said. If anybody thinks this forum isn't for them and or they don't like it just protest by boycotting. Nobody makes a player or his family/friends go onto this forum. If it was hateful or just flat out lies then a moderator can delete it.

How much more terrible does #8 have to play

First, he didn't use the players name. He used a number. That's been the unwritten rule for a few years now. Every person on here at some time or another has talked about players. When you say the line play is weak and terrible, does that not refer to a bunch of players? It's easy enough to figure .out who you're referring to. It's ridiculous.

Everyone makes the playoffs now. Which one of you is going to pay for the participation trophies or the "safe space" for these young men? And, what's next, penalties for hitting too hard?

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High school student-athletes are not paid to entertain adults. They play for the love of the sport, their teammates, and school.
Although I agree with what you said they are getting paid now. NIL is legal in high school. Tons of kids are now saying if I dont get the ball more I am tranferring. They helped to create this hideous me situation and parents make it worse. Social media is a blessing and a curse not a one way street. This is not the same world anymore like it or not and kids need to learn now to live in the world they helped create.

Frankfort schedule is embarrassing

This week they play at Williamstown who is 7-0, last year they were 14-0, the year before that 12-1. Frankfort and FH would be a great environment this year, very disappointing they didn’t play.
Williamstown has been Class A. after that its Berkeley Springs and 1 win Grafton. At what point do you accept a challenge. Forget about FH for a moment and simplify it down, the frankfort schedule is beyond horrible and was set up that way. No respect for all those wins. That's the end of discussion.

Thoughts on Criticism

Can I ask what the point of this forum is if not to critique players and coaches? They call out a players number on the field when they commit a penalty, right? Didn't used to, but realized how stupid it was not to.

I understand that critiques and insults can hurt, but life is full of them. Prepare your kids for them now and teach them to ignore the unhelpful ones. Otherwise, where do we plan to put the "safe spaces" on the fields for the players? Have we reached that point, too? You can't control people with big mouths. These aren't grade schoolers. They're practically men.
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Frankfort schedule is embarrassing

As I have been told by very good, level headed Frankfort fans (in the know) who understand football...the coaches and AD are very aware that Frankfort would not be competitive against FH 99% of the time in football. They don't care about Fort Hills schedule woes and the proposed gate. Their booster club is over flowing with money and they can afford to travel wherever they want. They would rather take the chance to lose to an in state opponent than FH.

A Frankfort-FH game ONLY benefits Fort Hill. To help with our schedule and to have a nice gate. Frankfort doesn't care. They don't need to care. And FH fans need to stop giving a shit what Frankfort does. Most of their fans are focused on what they're doing and hoping they can get a title, or at least several home playoff games.

This game against Williamstown is a huge deal for them. It's getting a lot of play in the WV scholastic sports media, and it's a big hubbub that all their fans are stoked about. They don't give two shits that FH wants to play them.

Yeah you have a couple of those dumbass fans who like to say they'd beat FH and all that jive. They're dumbasses. Stop entertaining them.


Frankfort doesn't owe FH anything nor do they care if FH is flummoxed at their decision not to play. Hell, Northern and Southern wouldn't play FH if they didn't have to. It's an unfortunate situation for FH. They play like a big school but are a small school.

Other big schools don't want to chance a loss for low point risk ..and other small schools know they can't compete

That's Fort Hill's cross to bear, no one else's. Move on from Frankfort, it's not going to happen.

Thoughts on Criticism

A few points for consideration:

Is it right to be critical of any high school student-athlete on a public forum?

No, it isn’t - most student-athletes are minors, and all are still in high school.

I ask this: Would you accept criticism of your child or a juvenile family member on a public forum by uniform number or name based on athletic performance?

I would hope not.

Rightfully so, adults are critical of and aware of bullying on social media by other school-age children. Attacking a student-athlete on a public forum while the adult attacker uses a pseudonym is no different.

High school student-athletes are not paid to entertain adults. They play for the love of the sport, their teammates, and school.

Developmentally, high school student-athletes, like their peers, are impressionable and vulnerable.

If one feels the need to criticize a high school student-athlete on a public forum, that says much more about the adult who is providing the criticism than the one being criticized.

Coaches know best the nuances, skills, leadership, and character traits a student-athlete brings to the table.

Let them coach!

If constructive criticism is needed, trust that a coach will provide it.

Too many coaches are leaving such teaching opportunities because of disgruntled parents/fans.

There is already an issue with a limited number of officials in all sports, and there is a limited number of bus drivers to transport teams to sporting events.

There are specific reasons why this is the current state of affairs.

If you want the same to be true for student-athletes and coaches in the near future, keep up the criticism on public forums and see what the result is.

We can do better!
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