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Area #1 - Frankfort or Fort Hill

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WesternMd is correct. wvssac considers more than just enrollment when placing schools. Frankfort, which had a couple of transfers themselves, cried loud enough and long enough to get placed into AA class. Let's face it, WV A, and AA are extremely weak. It's not bashing them, it's just that they are comprised of a very small student population, and fewer resources.
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westernMD said:
Congrats to Frankfort on winning the AA state title. They had a heck of a team and a year for the ages. I do think it should be mentioned that Frankfort was supposed to compete in AAA this year but appealed to be moved back to AA. Frankfort is AAA is all other sports. Had Frankfort remained where they were supposed to be, they would have probably played Bridgeport for the AAA championship. Not saying they couldn't win that game, but they would have been the underdog.
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By enrollment Frankfort should be AA, I heard they put them in AAA because they are close to Cumberland. Frankfort isn’t one of the largest AA schools. Roanne County who they played in the Championship has more students. Frankfort has less than 500 students Bridgeport has more than 800 students
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FHHSAHS said:
While it would be kind of nice to see that, can we really say, aside from bragging rights, does FH gain much from an X's and O's standpoint most years by adding Keyser and Frankfort to the schedule (even if it were an option)?

If we want to talk gate money, concessions money, or community "whateverness"...okay, maybe. But most years if Frankfort isn't competitive, are the crowds really going to be much different than Bridgeport or Dunbar? Idk..maybe, but over time, probably not.

I'm just looking at it from an on-field POV. Also, a scheduling POV. FH plays Northern, Southern, Ridge and Alco. Add Keyser and Frankfort...now you only have three spots to fill with Bridgeport, Dunbar, Or teams like Briar Woods or Hollidayburg, etc...and hope that they can match the few open spots you have. Sure that "only" leaves 3 spots to fill, so I'm sure that is appreciated from TDH and people who make the schedule. I get it. But dang, I like having those teams on the schedule. Do we possibly cut off our nose to spite our face? IDK. Maybe I'm over thinking it. And it's not really an option anyway, because Frankfort and Keyser aren't going to be back on the schedule anytime soon.

So it's a moo point. Like a cow's opinion...it's just "moo."
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I like having Dunbar and Quality teams like this on the schedule also. No one wants to see Fort Hill put up 35 points in first half against a team in the area.. Frankfort and Mountain Ridge have consistently been putting good teams on the field, but if Frankfort wants to be considered the number one team in the area, then they actually need to play the number one team in the area. Until then, let’s just celebrate the fact that they won a state championship and move on..
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Congrats to Frankfort on winning the AA state title. They had a heck of a team and a year for the ages. I do think it should be mentioned that Frankfort was supposed to compete in AAA this year but appealed to be moved back to AA. Frankfort is AAA is all other sports. Had Frankfort remained where they were supposed to be, they would have probably played Bridgeport for the AAA championship. Not saying they couldn't win that game, but they would have been the underdog.
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Because the KIDS want to. THAT'S WHY!!

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We can discuss, opine, and argue about the reasoning for a FH versus Frankfort game every year. My thought is we keep forgetting the # 1 reason. The players want to play. It's their game. Right? Being an oldtime Bishop Walsh/ LaSalle guy, our all time record against FH is 9-54-1. Many of those games were a real ass kicking. Ask any player from any of those 64 teams if they wanted to continue to play FH every year. The answer would be a unanimous yes. Same with today's teams, my guess is that all 70 or so players from both teams would play that game on a sandlot tomorrow if allowed. Maybe we need to stop worrying about all the possible implications and just let the kids do what they want, play each other. It's still their game, not ours. Just one man's opinion. BTW, a little trivia only two schools have defeated FH more than Bishop Walsh who did it 8 times. Of course everyone knows Alco is one. Who is the other?
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FortHillFan89 said:
Agree

I don't have issues with Frankfort not playing FH. I absolutely am ecstatic they are successful and won a championship. They deserve it and have a great team. All I was pointing out is the obvious. I agree with Todd in why we even have the award. To me giving Frankfort some kind of award that they wouldn't play a rival similar sized school 10 minutes from their door is a kick in the face to participation award kids across America. 😂 At least kids getting a participation award participated for theirs.
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For the record, the Times-News does not have a final area poll for football. I spoke with Alex Rychwalski last night on a different matter and this came up. The newspaper keeps an area football poll through out the regular season but doesn't put a final poll out to declare any type of champion. This move was done over more than a decade ago for good reason...area teams are not playing each other.

So have at it on a message board or some other social media avenue. It's fair to express an opinion on who you think is better - that's what sports fans do. Frankfort and FH are great testaments to this area's dedication and love for the sport. We still play a very physical brand of football in these mountains. Old school in deed. And I have an appreciation for it.
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TDHelmick said:
My advice is do away with area championship mentality. There is no area championship. Just enjoy the success of both teams and move on. Declare both teams as a champion if you must.
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Agree
FHHSAHS said:
While it would be kind of nice to see that, can we really say, aside from bragging rights, does FH gain much from an X's and O's standpoint most years by adding Keyser and Frankfort to the schedule (even if it were an option)?

If we want to talk gate money, concessions money, or community "whateverness"...okay, maybe. But most years if Frankfort isn't competitive, are the crowds really going to be much different than Bridgeport or Dunbar? Idk..maybe, but over time, probably not.

I'm just looking at it from an on-field POV. Also, a scheduling POV. FH plays Northern, Southern, Ridge and Alco. Add Keyser and Frankfort...now you only have three spots to fill with Bridgeport, Dunbar, Or teams like Briar Woods or Hollidayburg, etc...and hope that they can match the few open spots you have. Sure that "only" leaves 3 spots to fill, so I'm sure that is appreciated from TDH and people who make the schedule. I get it. But dang, I like having those teams on the schedule. Do we possibly cut off our nose to spite our face? IDK. Maybe I'm over thinking it. And it's not really an option anyway, because Frankfort and Keyser aren't going to be back on the schedule anytime soon.

So it's a moo point. Like a cow's opinion...it's just "moo."
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I don't have issues with Frankfort not playing FH. I absolutely am ecstatic they are successful and won a championship. They deserve it and have a great team. All I was pointing out is the obvious. I agree with Todd in why we even have the award. To me giving Frankfort some kind of award that they wouldn't play a rival similar sized school 10 minutes from their door is a kick in the face to participation award kids across America. 😂 At least kids getting a participation award participated for theirs.
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Area #1 - Frankfort or Fort Hill

FHHSAHS
Tony54 said:
How about everybody in the area just put on their Big Boy pants and play each other.
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While it would be kind of nice to see that, can we really say, aside from bragging rights, does FH gain much from an X's and O's standpoint most years by adding Keyser and Frankfort to the schedule (even if it were an option)?

If we want to talk gate money, concessions money, or community "whateverness"...okay, maybe. But most years if Frankfort isn't competitive, are the crowds really going to be much different than Bridgeport or Dunbar? Idk..maybe, but over time, probably not.

I'm just looking at it from an on-field POV. Also, a scheduling POV. FH plays Northern, Southern, Ridge and Alco. Add Keyser and Frankfort...now you only have three spots to fill with Bridgeport, Dunbar, Or teams like Briar Woods or Hollidayburg, etc...and hope that they can match the few open spots you have. Sure that "only" leaves 3 spots to fill, so I'm sure that is appreciated from TDH and people who make the schedule. I get it. But dang, I like having those teams on the schedule. Do we possibly cut off our nose to spite our face? IDK. Maybe I'm over thinking it. And it's not really an option anyway, because Frankfort and Keyser aren't going to be back on the schedule anytime soon.

So it's a moo point. Like a cow's opinion...it's just "moo."
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FHHSAHS
TDHelmick said:
My advice is do away with area championship mentality. There is no area championship. Just enjoy the success of both teams and move on. Declare both teams as a champion if you must.
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I probably should've led with a statement like this. It's kind of what I was driving at, it's really pointless to have an area football poll. Other sports, fine, all the teams are playing each other, a lot less room for the what ifs. But to get all that bent out of shape over the area football poll is an exercise in futility. With not all teams playing each other, regardless of the reasons they dont or how it makes anyone feel, there's no real science behind it. It's just a feature piece for the paper.
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FHHSAHS said:
I definitely am not a FH hater, far from it. But I'm also not wearing permanent red glasses.

Basically what you are all saying is FH is the litmus test for anyone in the area and no amount of accomplishment is worthy unless they beat FH. I disagree with that. Y'all are getting way too stirred up over an OPINION poll.

FH has accomplished everything they need to accomplish. Without Frankfort. It's irrelevant. But yet, some y'all are flipping your shit because how DARE another very successful team in the area that won more games and also their championship get more kudos than FH.

Like...chill out. Jeez. FH is still the cream of the crop of the area and we know Frankfort isn't beating them 9 out of 10 times. Who cares what people's opinions are...they're like assholes. Everyone has one. 🤷 Having an area poll is dumb. Arguing over it is even dumber. That's
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It’s been said before, you can’t Duck the number one team in the area and then say you’re the best. It just doesn’t work that way. Ric Flair said it best. In order to be the man you have to beat the man.!!
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I definitely am not a FH hater, far from it. But I'm also not wearing permanent red glasses.

Basically what you are all saying is FH is the litmus test for anyone in the area and no amount of accomplishment is worthy unless they beat FH. I disagree with that. Y'all are getting way too stirred up over an OPINION poll.

FH has accomplished everything they need to accomplish. Without Frankfort. It's irrelevant. But yet, some y'all are flipping your shit because how DARE another very successful team in the area that won more games and also their championship get more kudos than FH.

Like...chill out. Jeez. FH is still the cream of the crop of the area and we know Frankfort isn't beating them 9 out of 10 times. Who cares what people's opinions are...they're like assholes. Everyone has one. 🤷 Having an area poll is dumb. Arguing over it is even dumber. That's all.
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Bleedred4life said:
I'll go with 89 here. Frankfort knew what they had coming, and they knew that FH was in a reload year. Both teams have scheduled one-year deal. Williamstown was a one-year deal, so this isn't anything that's new. Both teams beat the teams that they should have beaten. I don't think that Frankfort could have beaten Dunbar or BW. I question if they could handle Hollidaysburg, East WOI, or Perryville. If you only look at common opponents. They both beat Northern and MR. Frankfort beat Northern by 31 at home while FH beat them by 35 at Northern (subs got playing time starting the second quarter). And again by 35 in the State final. MR played both Frankfort and FH at their house. Frankfort won by 37. FH won by 53. Bottom line is that FH out-performed Frankfort on these games.

Looking at the playoffs for both teams, it's impossible to compare anything. In Maryland, Perryville and CSD are closing the gap in 1A. We are starting to see some good contests as these teams have size, speed, and are well coached. In WV the teams are very bad in A and AA. If they do have some size, there is no speed to go with it, and coaching is questionable. AAA has Bridgeport and there is only about 8 teams in AAAA that consistently put a decent team on the field. Thanks to being retired, and NFHS, I've watched a lot of the playoffs for both States. (It got so bad that my wife started asking me who I'm going to watch each day.)

The final deciding factor is that this year Frankfort has a very good team, but FH has far too much speed. I'd say FH would win by 3 TDs. It's a shame that no one can prove me wrong. Let's hope that the next time this issue pops up, we can at least get a one year deal out of it.
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This is very well said. I couldn’t have written this better. I’m not sure where all of the Fort Hill hate comes from but coach Appel was definitely on to something.. congratulations to Frankfort. They had a great year. There are levels to this game.
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bigdawgrefwmd said:
why because I don't think it's smart for them to play when Frankfort wouldn't compete with them most years?
I seen both teams play multiple times and to me they are the better team this year.
We don't know if Frankfort would be in the playoffs most years, I think people are forgetting some of the Teams they played have been great Teams over the years but were down a little this year. Williamstown Finished 10-3 with 2 of those losses to Frankfort, They were 27-1 The previous 2 years and back to back Champions. Now because Frankfort ran them off the field twice people act like they were bad.
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And we will never know. I think most believe including yourself if you want to be considered in an area title you can't duck your neighbor. It's just common sense. You can say that and still not slight what Frankfort accomplished. They chose their path and it worked for them. Some area title award they refused to take part in probably means nothing to them anyways. At least people that get participation awards actually participated. They didn't. Had FH finished below Allegany and Mountain Ridge you could make a good argument about it.
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Tony54 said:
It’s funny you start off by saying Frankfort’s number one and then you say why should Frankfort play Fort Hill. Here’s why they should play Fort Hill. The schools are approximately 10 miles apart and evidently people think Frankfort is nearly as good as Fort Hill or in this case better so why not play. Frankfort would still be in the playoffs Stop with all of these comparisons. The
Coaches at Frankfort didn’t want any part of Fort Hill this year. They know
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why because I don't think it's smart for them to play when Frankfort wouldn't compete with them most years?
I seen both teams play multiple times and to me they are the better team this year.
We don't know if Frankfort would be in the playoffs most years, I think people are forgetting some of the Teams they played have been great Teams over the years but were down a little this year. Williamstown Finished 10-3 with 2 of those losses to Frankfort, They were 27-1 The previous 2 years and back to back Champions. Now because Frankfort ran them off the field twice people act like they were bad.
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I'll go with 89 here. Frankfort knew what they had coming, and they knew that FH was in a reload year. Both teams have scheduled one-year deal. Williamstown was a one-year deal, so this isn't anything that's new. Both teams beat the teams that they should have beaten. I don't think that Frankfort could have beaten Dunbar or BW. I question if they could handle Hollidaysburg, East WOI, or Perryville. If you only look at common opponents. They both beat Northern and MR. Frankfort beat Northern by 31 at home while FH beat them by 35 at Northern (subs got playing time starting the second quarter). And again by 35 in the State final. MR played both Frankfort and FH at their house. Frankfort won by 37. FH won by 53. Bottom line is that FH out-performed Frankfort on these games.

Looking at the playoffs for both teams, it's impossible to compare anything. In Maryland, Perryville and CSD are closing the gap in 1A. We are starting to see some good contests as these teams have size, speed, and are well coached. In WV the teams are very bad in A and AA. If they do have some size, there is no speed to go with it, and coaching is questionable. AAA has Bridgeport and there is only about 8 teams in AAAA that consistently put a decent team on the field. Thanks to being retired, and NFHS, I've watched a lot of the playoffs for both States. (It got so bad that my wife started asking me who I'm going to watch each day.)

The final deciding factor is that this year Frankfort has a very good team, but FH has far too much speed. I'd say FH would win by 3 TDs. It's a shame that no one can prove me wrong. Let's hope that the next time this issue pops up, we can at least get a one year deal out of it.
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