Week 6 for forthill
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it's amazing how somebody can drop a bomb and then just walk away from it...makes you wonder about their intentions.
If I had a dollar this summer for every person I see on the street that asks if FH has that 10th game yet I could be in Ocean City now in a real nice condo for the week 
And I'm real good with that because people around here love their high school football. Everyone on this board obviously does too because nothing beats the sun sinking over Greenway bleachers with a slice of pie, fries and soda while watching kids have fun on the turf.
We have been looking to fill that Week 6 slot now for four months. A few options have popped up and been explored and more options continue to get explored. None have worked out mostly because of distance. As eagleinsider pointed out, there just are not any Week 6 openings in Maryland or any surrounding state right now.
There is no need to report each option as they come up, which has been slim to none anyway. I have mentioned a few such as Bishop Sullivan a while back but found out that just creates rumors and wild assumptions and people questioning why FH doesn't play the AFC Pro Bowl Team. When or if a Week 6 does officially get done it will be announced. Every MPSSAA school has until the first game to fill holes or make schedule adjustments.
As of now FH still has not filled the Week 6 slot. The search continues.
And I'm real good with that because people around here love their high school football. Everyone on this board obviously does too because nothing beats the sun sinking over Greenway bleachers with a slice of pie, fries and soda while watching kids have fun on the turf.
We have been looking to fill that Week 6 slot now for four months. A few options have popped up and been explored and more options continue to get explored. None have worked out mostly because of distance. As eagleinsider pointed out, there just are not any Week 6 openings in Maryland or any surrounding state right now.
There is no need to report each option as they come up, which has been slim to none anyway. I have mentioned a few such as Bishop Sullivan a while back but found out that just creates rumors and wild assumptions and people questioning why FH doesn't play the AFC Pro Bowl Team. When or if a Week 6 does officially get done it will be announced. Every MPSSAA school has until the first game to fill holes or make schedule adjustments.
As of now FH still has not filled the Week 6 slot. The search continues.
was commenting on another poster saying that fh had a tenth game when they don't, thought you were asking do they or don't they - it would be a lot simpler if everybody just waited for todd to say "we have a tenth game and here it is". i think we should all know enough about todd by now that if fh had a game week 6 he'd post it
I heard that Fort Hill was considering playing their Band Week 6, any truth to those rumors?
If I had a dollar this summer for every person I see on the street that asks if FH has that 10th game yet I could be in Ocean City now in a real nice condo for the week
And I'm real good with that because people around here love their high school football. Everyone on this board obviously does too because nothing beats the sun sinking over Greenway bleachers with a slice of pie, fries and soda while watching kids have fun on the turf.
We have been looking to fill that Week 6 slot now for four months. A few options have popped up and been explored and more options continue to get explored. None have worked out mostly because of distance. As eagleinsider pointed out, there just are not any Week 6 openings in Maryland or any surrounding state right now.
There is no need to report each option as they come up, which has been slim to none anyway. I have mentioned a few such as Bishop Sullivan a while back but found out that just creates rumors and wild assumptions and people questioning why FH doesn't play the AFC Pro Bowl Team. When or if a Week 6 does officially get done it will be announced. Every MPSSAA school has until the first game to fill holes or make schedule adjustments.
As of now FH still has not filled the Week 6 slot. The search continues.
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This doesn't sound like an "if" to me:
"Oddly enough, I have a 10th game. Came in last night through all my tireless searching."
Although, I don't understand why he let an entire day of bantering go by before declaring the game.
When you are dealing with teams not from the state of Maryland there is this little thing called MPSSAA sanctioning. In short, the MPSSAA has to approve such games and you are at their time clock mercy. Patience good sir
There was supposed to be a contract on the way and a forthcoming approval from the MPSSAA. I am beginning to see parsing all over the place - kind of like interviewing a politician or a lawyer. The entire thing is beginning to look like the same old dust being kicked up.
I guess technically unless you have everything bolted down you can say you don't have a game. But do you continue to broadcast for games when you agree with a school to accept their contract? Isn't the school sending you a contract expecting your word on a game. And, of course, by now you should really know if the MPSSAA will approve a game. You've been doing this a long time. Besides, this would bail them out of dealing with another state school backing out of their contract. Would it not?
However, from what I am reading.... There is no 10th game. I get it. Back to taking a Kaepernick the week before Melbourne unless you post that a 10th game came in last night... again... ugh, or other. Or is it a contract got faxed or an approval was phoned in - or are we down to swapping hostages until the game is played.
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Naw. The 10th game will be a 'Wag the Dog' done over the radio. You know, get a couple of announcers and use some cheerleader and band background noise. They could even charge admission at the stadium for it. Broadcast it over the speakers. The red jackets will be all 'beered up' and actually think there is a game on the field.
Well dang I didn't mean to get everything stirred up I was just simply asking a question because I did not know I am a former player seven years ago have lost touch this past year would like to get back into the loop again
that might be a loop like that poor hamster that gets stuck on the habitrail and can't get off...this stuff can make you dizzy!
we can, some people just like to be mean and argue for the sake of it, but some of us really do like to just get the 411 on FH!
Heck Lag, FH already has a signed contract for week 6 - from another MPSSAA school to boot - and they still won't even force that contract to be honored.
I forget what team it was about 5 or 6 years ago from north of Philly that was under contract and at the last minute in late August the MPSSAA told FH you can't play them. The MPSSAA did the same with Avalon and FH just 2 years ago. So yeah until the MPSSAA cave painters do something about this scheduling playoff bullshit Todd is forced to await their final word on most every game because FH DOESN'T GET TO PLAY OTHER MPSSAA SCHOOLS.
I forget what team it was about 5 or 6 years ago from north of Philly that was under contract and at the last minute in late August the MPSSAA told FH you can't play them. The MPSSAA did the same with Avalon and FH just 2 years ago. So yeah until the MPSSAA cave painters do something about this scheduling playoff bullshit Todd is forced to await their final word on most every game because FH DOESN'T GET TO PLAY OTHER MPSSAA SCHOOLS.
If Fort Hill does indeed get a 10th game...can we get Lags a free ticket and maybe a free slice of Stadium Pizza to go along.
I appreciate the thought, but in this case I would insist paying. I have the same attitude on the raffle tickets. Should I win, I would donate the money back to the school.
This reminds me of an old suggestion I made: parents of students should get a start-of-the-season ID for the games and pay the current rate. All other adults should pay at least $10. When you consider the cost of a movie ticket these days, the price of a quality high school football game at the stadium is way too low by half.
Fort Hill and the Board of Education have an Attorney all that they have to do is file it in court and get an injunction that the school in question could not play another team on that date because there is a contract signed for that week. This happens all the time in other place WV has had so many court injunctions over so many things usually to do with football. Not sure how The MPSSAA could do anything about it but I am sure the Court system can do something about it. Also when the MPSSAA does things that are shady it can work in the same way through the court system.
If you used the MPSSAA contract you're probably not getting a court to sign off on an injunction preventing Fairmont Heights from playing. Reason being that the enforcement provision in the MPSSAA recommended contract is essentially just whatever the MPSSAA wants to do about it (unless you got something added or amended in line 9 of the contract about financial compensation or return of the payment for the first year).
Condition 8 of the MPSSAA recommended contract reads: "In case of cancellation of contract or failure on the part of any one of the contracting parties to fulfill any of the terms of the contract, except by written mutual consent, the offending school may be disciplined subject to the discretion of the Appeals Committee". The words 'may' and 'discretion' pretty much prevent you from stopping Fairmont Heights from playing their game since that's a MPSSAA discretion issue. Any lawsuit would probably have to against the MPSSAA dealing with the use or lack thereof concerning their 'discretion ' and the harm that has been done to Fort Hill because of that systemic inaction. If breaking the contracts is such a problem with the MPSSAA contract you're probably in a situation where you need to draw up your own contracts and enforcement provisions with the school board lawyer and dealing with everything that could entail.
http://www.mpssaa.org/assets/1/6/MPSSAA_Athletic_Contest_Contract.pdf
Condition 8 of the MPSSAA recommended contract reads: "In case of cancellation of contract or failure on the part of any one of the contracting parties to fulfill any of the terms of the contract, except by written mutual consent, the offending school may be disciplined subject to the discretion of the Appeals Committee". The words 'may' and 'discretion' pretty much prevent you from stopping Fairmont Heights from playing their game since that's a MPSSAA discretion issue. Any lawsuit would probably have to against the MPSSAA dealing with the use or lack thereof concerning their 'discretion ' and the harm that has been done to Fort Hill because of that systemic inaction. If breaking the contracts is such a problem with the MPSSAA contract you're probably in a situation where you need to draw up your own contracts and enforcement provisions with the school board lawyer and dealing with everything that could entail.
http://www.mpssaa.org/assets/1/6/MPSSAA_Athletic_Contest_Contract.pdf
I agree with the legal reasons for not going to court, but just from a practical perspective, getting an injunction would pretty much be the last option. Maryland is not Ohio/Texas/Florida where high school football is really important. I don't think taxpayers really want their employees to spend money and time going to court over a high school football game. And I totally acknowledge Fairmont was wrong for breaking the contract, but there's still no guarantee that Fort Hill will prevail in court. Fairmont could say we played them last year and were clearly overmatched. We suffered many injuries. This is could be viewed as a legitimate reason for breaking the contract. They could also say we notified Fort Hill in February, they had plenty of time to find another game. And if I'm not mistaken, this game was going to be played at Fairmont, so Fort Hill couldn't claim they would suffer a great financial loss like if the game was going to be played at Greenway.
I pointed out in an earlier thread, the MPSSAA did step in back in the late 90's when Walbrook did the same thing to FH. Walbrook had scheduled a game with Patuxent for the same date it was to play Fort Hill. MPSSAA decided that since it was Walbrook's mistake, they would be the ones without a game and Patuxent ended up playing Fort Hill.
A lot changes in 20 years. If that's the last or only time you can think of the MPSSAA using their 'discretion' to levy sanctions that is damning in its own right and creates a great argument for dereliction of duty unless these issues haven't come up since 98.
Yes, I could not have said this any better.
Any legal recourse cannot / would not be bound to a contract with Fairmont Heights, but a systematic discrepancy. Mostly in the sense that over the last 4 year period FH has handed over $175,000 of post-season money to the MPSSAA (more than triple any school in the MPSSAA) and yet the system does not facilitate FH being able to play any MPSSAA member schools. It does the opposite and discourages such. And when FH does get a rare contract with another MPSSAA school they are continually ignored when the other team bails such as we see with Fairmont Heights and North Hagerstown back in 2013. MPSSAA contracts are absolutely worthless and meaningless. The only legit contract would have to be done locally by a lawyer with legal ramifications for a cancellation that can be proven in local court.
My personal gripe is that I have no choice but to seek out non-MPSSAA member schools, which are continually rejected by the MPSSAA (see Germantown, Avalon and a list of teams we found this year). So I deal with a set up where MPSSAA games are rare and the alternatives are rejected. But my biggest personal gripe isn't a legal one, but that a person/administrators word is not longer worth anything. Or the fact incompetence is never corrected such as we see with Fairmont Heights, Capitol Christian, MATHS, etc. I get Capitol Christian and their deal but what they did to Alco last year was a flat out embarrassment. If I sign a contract you can be guaranteed I will honor it, especially with kids involved. That is not the case today.
Unfortunately you are correct about the reduction of value you can take in the word of people these days. What concerns me for you guys with your schedule and why you may eventually need legal recourse is the state of your schedule as currently configured with 9 games. You have a team scheduled to come up from the Atlantic coast of Florida in October and you're still in the midst of Hurricane season so you could lose that game through no fault of anyone and you're sitting with 8 games where to the best of my knowledge the MPSSAA will only divide points by 9 games, throw one loss (or even no losses) in the remaining games you're in a perilous position. Hopefully it doesn't come close to that scenario for you guys but the possibility is a big reason there should be a legal fuss about the situation now.
Yes the biggest fear with a 9 game schedule is that one of the games gets cancelled for whatever reason out of your control like FH saw with Archbishop Curley two years ago and the MPSSAA sticks you with an 8 game schedule. That is like starting the season 0-1 given the way this point system works. 9 games you are fine, 8 games or less cripples you.
For those that do not know the MPSSAA football rule...a team can actually play 4 games and still make the playoffs. There is no set amount of games a team is required to play. But the lowest point total divisor is 9. So if you play a 10 game schedule, you add the points and divide by 10. If you play a 9 game schedule you add the points and divide by 9. If you play an 8 game schedule you add the points but still divide by 9. If you play a 4 game schedule you add the points and divide by 9 as 9 is the lowest divisor that can be used.
A more twisted example: if Fairmont Heights only played 4 games last year, but won 3 of them, they would have made the playoffs.
For those that do not know the MPSSAA football rule...a team can actually play 4 games and still make the playoffs. There is no set amount of games a team is required to play. But the lowest point total divisor is 9. So if you play a 10 game schedule, you add the points and divide by 10. If you play a 9 game schedule you add the points and divide by 9. If you play an 8 game schedule you add the points but still divide by 9. If you play a 4 game schedule you add the points and divide by 9 as 9 is the lowest divisor that can be used.
A more twisted example: if Fairmont Heights only played 4 games last year, but won 3 of them, they would have made the playoffs.
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This is ridiculous. I will say it again, but I also know it is going no where. We have five single A schools in Garrett & Allegany counties, why don't we all schedule each other? I know some games may not be so competitive but everyone would have @ least 4 games a year guaranteed. Is this something the AD's could work on but do the head coaches decide their schedules?
As long as FH has the plum demographics, why would the other schools play them. Only Alco stays in the fold because of a historic rivalry - virtually meaningless today. Those other schools have no concern about getting guaranteed games. Forcing them to play FH only benefits FH.
what has it gotten them by not playing fh? what have they won? do they make us much money at the gate with anybody else on their schedule? they may not win but so what? just give me one benefit on not playing fh?
Certain people demand FH play the highest level of competition. They dont demand this of others around these parts.
Lag has called out FH for not playing top competition. Has stated many times it doesn't teach our kids how to be men and how coaches are not preparing our kids for life. Yet when the same opportunity is afforded to other schools there is no benefit in competing against better teams like FH.
Lag has called out FH for not playing top competition. Has stated many times it doesn't teach our kids how to be men and how coaches are not preparing our kids for life. Yet when the same opportunity is afforded to other schools there is no benefit in competing against better teams like FH.
Foremost, I suggest that those of you doing slobbering genuflections toward the next FH championship first hug your own dragon.
FH has put itself on the mountain top and now is forced to look around and see mostly other mountain tops because the valleys are far away and cloud covered (think the Alps). For you to suggest that I want other schools in the area to climb up there with FH and share their burden is something I would never do. It would be idiotic and self serving to FH, which explains your commentary.
Not sure if you're confused or purposely being disingenuous, but I have posted many times in various contexts the following: play 10 games and hit the books; my sons would give up their trophies to hit the field one more time; high schools are supposed to instill a sense a community and prepare their students to be successful citizens - not to be professional athletes or to pile up chevaliers for the school, a coach or a band leader (think Allegany on the last one).
You have overlooked - conveniently or otherwise - my post to Helmick, stating that I don't care if he schedules 'the little sisters of the poor' as his 10th game. Just give the young men a full regular season.
My point has been as clear as the finest crystal: you do not prepare a young man for life by not playing a 10th game in an attempt to get into the playoffs (think Helmick's panic comment). This year, a championship may not happen for FH anyway: a key injury; a lack of last year's speed; some tough losses to talent laden schools - or worse, losing to Allegany.
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15 years from now, any former player from this year's squad who is having some issues in life is not going to look back on his senior year wondering how his life would've turned out if his football team would've played just...one....more...game.
How about substituting "played just...one....more...game" with had just one more celebration in the gym.
See, if you flip it around you can see that your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I posted. How silly is it to wrap your argument around some spin that I would suggest a single game in all circumstances would change a person's life for the better.
Show me where I "literally" and "exactly" posted that a single game would change a person's life. All you have served up is a poor man's straw man. This isn't a about a single game anymore than Christmas is only about a single day in the year. Stop pretending you don't understand the King's English.
You should know better. Hug your dragon.
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Panic? Hahahaha. What the sam hell are you talking about? Still beating that horse that FH should play the New England Patriots and raise the money to get them here?
When FH gets the 10th game it would be nice to just pat the man on the back for pulling what many in the know call a miracle, and that is just finding 4 to 5 new games a year for these young men to play. There is no other MPSSAA school who must undertake such a task. Maybe if FH wasn't built in the sticks it wouldnt be so difficult, but they do live in the sticks and run mercy clocks on everyone. You know, like the mercy clock they ran on an undefeated Alco at Homecoming.
When FH gets the 10th game it would be nice to just pat the man on the back for pulling what many in the know call a miracle, and that is just finding 4 to 5 new games a year for these young men to play. There is no other MPSSAA school who must undertake such a task. Maybe if FH wasn't built in the sticks it wouldnt be so difficult, but they do live in the sticks and run mercy clocks on everyone. You know, like the mercy clock they ran on an undefeated Alco at Homecoming.
Let me add once again that all this isn't about Helmick. He is a good guy that works hard and has obviously done well by FH. My perspective is solely mine - call it my altruism for things that should matter. As I have posted many times before, I don't expect anyone to agree with me.
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These are Helmick's words, not mine.
"...find a middle ground somewhere that FH can play a few really good teams but not overload their way into playoff panic. And I think the 2017 FH schedule as it is now is perfect for such.'"
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