an 8 win 1 loss FH team

[bigsavage]

Out points a 10 win undefeated Boonsboro team.. Let that sink in for a moment... We always here the excuse of not over scheduling but is there such a thing as under scheduling given the above example? Also maybe someone can run the numbers and see, but would a 6-4 or 7-3 out point a 8-2 or 9-1 Hancock team... I just used these teams because everyone seems to use them as examples. I guess the question I'm asking is there ever really a likelihood of Hancock or clear spring making the playoffs over Fh if Fh was above 500...

As a side note a 6-4 record got Northern in the playoffs

 

[Seasoned Lettuce]

Out points a 10 win undefeated Boonsboro team.. Let that sink in for a moment... We always here the excuse of not over scheduling but is there such a thing as under scheduling given the above example? Also maybe someone can run the numbers and see, but would a 6-4 or 7-3 out point a 8-2 or 9-1 Hancock team... I just used these teams because everyone seems to use them as examples. I guess the question I'm asking is there ever really a likelihood of Hancock or clear spring making the playoffs over Fh if Fh was above 500...

As a side note a 6-4 record got Northern in the playoffs

First and foremost, the 8 win Fort Hill team did not actually produce more points than the 10 win Boonsboro team. Boonsboro finished with 93.22 points and Fort Hill finished with 86.10 points. Fort Hill ended with a higher average score because their divisor was 9 and Boonsboro's was 10. I just think that needs pointed out because it's somewhat misleading the way you've stated it.

Perhaps a better way of stating it is that Fort Hill's 8 wins produced more bonus points (41.1) than Boonsboro's 10 wins (37.2). This clearly indicates a superior strength of schedule, though we should all know that not all wins are technically created equal, apparently Clearfield and Chestnut Ridge play a bunch of patsies.

Otherwise, I somewhat agree with your assertion, while I never want to see us not make the playoffs, I think we have way more play as far as getting in than we think. I'm still generally impressed with our schedule, it has worked well and certainly done the job.

 

[bigsavage]

Its not my intention to be misleading... I'm not a numbers guy and I dont know all the intricacies of the maryland playoff points system.. I'm just going by the numbers at face value.... But thank you for pointing that out... It would be really interesting to see if anyone could run the numbers and see if 6-4 or 7-3 fh team would out point a 8-2 or 9-1 Hancock team using this year's schedules... Like I said Northern made it in at 6-4... I'm pretty sure fh would win any tie breakers with any other 6-4 team simply based on a strength of schedule... All that being said I believe there is way more room for error in scheduling then we're being lead to believe...

 

[novaunicorn]

Its not my intention to be misleading... I'm not a numbers guy and I dont know all the intricacies of the maryland playoff points system.. I'm just going by the numbers at face value.... But thank you for pointing that out... It would be really interesting to see if anyone could run the numbers and see if 6-4 or 7-3 fh team would out point a 8-2 or 9-1 Hancock team using this year's schedules... Like I said Northern made it in at 6-4... I'm pretty sure fh would win any tie breakers with any other 6-4 team simply based on a strength of schedule... All that being said I believe there is way more room for error in scheduling then we're being lead to believe...

I completely get what you're saying. I posted on another thread an inquiry as to why Alco doesn't have all these scheduling issues...same size school, same area, same tradition. I also don't understand why FH has to have any home games if it's the difference between having a game or not having a game. The FH/Northern game crowd was pathetic. If FH can't fill half their seats for a home playoff game then maybe the interest just isn't there except for when they play Allegany. It seems like the whole schedule thing has taken on a life of it's own.

 

[bleedred]

Let me help you out there Nova. Alco does have some scheduling issues, but it's just not on the level of FH, and you're right that the two schools are similar, but there are some huge differences as well. The big one is the results that the schools have have over the last few years. Memories are short and right now FH is on a run. Jack Gilmore had headache after headache trying to get teams to play Alco in his time, but it's a new day and the Prescorn group hasn't had their teams on that level on a consistent basis.

As far as crowds go, there wasn't much room where I was sitting and there was certainly plenty of red on Northern's side. I don't know how the rest of the seating filled in but let's be honest, why would you sit inside the 10 yard line when you can walk across the field and sit on the 40. Then again, it was cold and some people don't want to sit in the cold and watch FH roll over a team when they can sit at home and watch it in the warmth of their livingroom.

Lastly, home games are money. FH gets more money on season tickets than most schools at their entire gates. If those ticket holders decide not to come, it doesn't matter, but you have to have a home game to offer to at least sell the ticket. Hope this makes things a little more clear.

 

[camper21502]

I completely get what you're saying. I posted on another thread an inquiry as to why Alco doesn't have all these scheduling issues...same size school, same area, same tradition. I also don't understand why FH has to have any home games if it's the difference between having a game or not having a game. The FH/Northern game crowd was pathetic. If FH can't fill half their seats for a home playoff game then maybe the interest just isn't there except for when they play Allegany. It seems like the whole schedule thing has taken on a life of it's own.

I thought Alco does have scheduling issues. It's not as bad as FH but I hear it's pretty bad.

 

[novaunicorn]

I thought Alco does have scheduling issues. It's not as bad as FH but I hear it's pretty bad.

thanks to both of you, I just haven't seen any posts about the alco issues.

 

[BoyznBlue]

thanks to both of you, I just haven't seen any posts about the alco issues.

Alco has the same issues, for the same reasons. A few years ago they were playing a tougher schedule going downstate and playing St. Albans and Calvert. More recently they pick up the same teams FH does (MATHS, Silver Oak, Capitol Christian, Oldtown, etc.)

 

[TDHelmick]

If FH had lost 4 regular season games to say Clearfield, Keyser, South Hagerstown, and Sherando...they would not have made the playoffs and would have been outpointed by both Northern and Smithsburg. Here would have been the totals:

Boonsboro - 9.32
Allegany - 6.98
Northern - 5.54
Smithsburg - 5.20
Fort Hill - 5.07

So in essense, FH could have won Homecoming but still been left out of the playoffs. If you flip the loss between Alco and Clearfield the points would have been even less for FH.

 

[bigsavage]

Tdhelmick thank you for your response... Are you factoring in a 10 game schedule? To say FH would have been out of the playoffs at 6-4 or are you factoring them out of the playoffs at 5-4? That's a big difference... Its hard to believe that they would have been out of the playoffs at 6-4.. Just would like a clarification beings that I'm not a numbers guy and in my original post I wondered where they would have stood at 6-4 and not at 5-4...

 

[mccoke]

If you factor in larger teams playing 1A teams risk injury and lack-of-depth factors in to a 1A teams success or lack-there-of!

 

[bigsavage]

If you factor in larger teams playing 1A teams risk injury and lack-of-depth factors in to a 1A teams success or lack-there-of!

Yea I guess much like all the injuries and lack-of-depth which resulted in the lack-of -success that came out of the Sherando and South Hagerstown games???