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Greenway Attendance

TDHelmick

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A discussion that has grown old. Greenway was empty tonight. A solid 5-0 Hollidaysburg team came here. Yea, it rained. Well call it more of a heavy mist in 70 degree weather. Blah, blah, blah.

I cannot begin to mention how many people I know, who days before the game, told me they would blow this game off because it might rain. I can watch it on TV.

Outside the band there were probably about 500 FH fans at the game. I've seen as many at the Quad and at JV games, which means the fans in attendance are mostly parents or family of a student involved whether as a player, cheerleader, band member, etc. There are numerous reasons why there are no longer fans in attendance. I have had this discussion dozens of times with so many well connected people from TV to radio to principals to ADs to administration to coaches to longtime sports writers, to this forum, etc.

These are the reasons there were 500 FH fans at the game tonight - in order:

1. Not many people live here any more
2. Few students attend games
3. A majority of fans are senior citizens and don't do bad weather
4. The game is on 3 radio stations and 2 TV streams (one live, one delay)
5. The cost for a family to attend can exceed $50

At least people know now it has nothing to do with the quality of the opponent as so many tried to argue the past 5-8 years. You were incorrect then and now.

Disgruntled I am not. Saddened at what Cumberland has become, yea to a degree. But most of all I'm just pointing out the reasons as this discussion comes up at every single home game now. You can wipe out items 3 - 5 on that list above despite the fact those issues do decrease attendance. But even if those people returned, the total attendance difference would be negligible. It's an interesting discussion on small town America for sure. But just to repeat:

Not many people live here anymore and those that do are either over 50 years old or don't have much money. That is why Downtown, Canal Place, stores, jobs, etc. struggle or have disappeared. Anything outside #1 on the list is just talk and a linear function to #1 on the list.
 
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$6 to get in. Stadium pizza is now $4 per slice. 2 slices and a drink costs $11. Security cracking down on student movement also hurts attendance. I know there was a bad middle school student fight last year at the stadium, but we all remember our high school days and how much fun we had walking around the stadium during games with our friends. Little wonder kids don't want to attend.

I would cut ticket prices back to $5 which is more in line to what other schools charge (Hollidaysburg and Albert Gallatin both charge $5). 1,000 x $5 is greater revenue than 800 x $6.

Maybe have a pizza special, 1 slice and a drink for $5.

Keep a strong security presence but let the kids be kids and allow them to socialize.
 
$6 to get in. Stadium pizza is now $4 per slice. 2 slices and a drink costs $11. Security cracking down on student movement also hurts attendance. I know there was a bad middle school student fight last year at the stadium, but we all remember our high school days and how much fun we had walking around the stadium during games with our friends. Little wonder kids don't want to attend.

I would cut ticket prices back to $5 which is more in line to what other schools charge (Hollidaysburg and Albert Gallatin both charge $5). 1,000 x $5 is greater revenue than 800 x $6.

Maybe have a pizza special, 1 slice and a drink for $5.

Keep a strong security presence but let the kids be kids and allow them to socialize.
Kids safety. In my day we would walk the track, get in fights with kids from other schools, but be hanging out together a few hours later, with some bumps, and bruises, and the occasional black eye. Today those fights escalate to the level that your child may not make it home that night. Always and I mean always err on the side of caution. Kids and adults well being will always be more important than attendance numbers. Always agreeable on lower prices. LOL.
 
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They have reserved seating for the adults, why not try having a student section? We've all seen this at other schools. It appears to work well. Unfortunately, there are more problems floating around than just bad behavior by the kids. In the last few years, the Band parents working the concession stands have been less than cordial toward the patrons. I have even heard one band parent say, "if they didn't get waited on, too bad." when referring to a customer. But that's another issue. Bottom line, the games need to be a fun experience. The only drama should be on the field.
 
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You can rectify all of these things and maybe increase attendance by 400 people, not 2000 people. Not many live here anymore and those that do are mostly senior citizens.
 
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Let's face it. Cumberland has been dying a slow death since Kelly Springfield moved out. And it doesn't seem to matter who is voted mayor or as county commissioners, they seem unable....or unwilling to bring industrial or any other type jobs into this area. It shouldn't be surprising that the population has dropped. What's to keep the younger generation here? Sitting within two hours of three major metropolitan ares, with a large resort area within close proximity to the west, access to the railroad, one would think it would be an attractive area to advertisers, but apparently not.
 
You can rectify all of these things and maybe increase attendance by 400 people, not 2000 people. Not many live here anymore and those that do are mostly senior citizens.

That's at least 400 more people. I think we all realize the days of 12000 people at Homecoming and being relegated to the far end zone seats on a regular season Friday night are just not happening again.

But there is a way to make it a more attractive choice to go to a HS game on a Friday night for the most fans we can. The game should be about the students and FOR the students. It feels like these games are being taken from the students, sit in one place, don't be too silly, act like old people and if you don't like it don't come.

The county doesn't even want to fix the scoreboard issues. The sound system is still horribly subpar with no speakers on the far side yet. The flashing lights were cool ..until another adult in an official capacity felt it should be taken away. I don't like the vibe at all. There's a solution. No one in place to implement a plan, is doing a thing about it.
 
Attendance isn't a population issue. Not in the sense that there's not enough people here. In 1994 when homecoming was estimated at 14k people Cumberland's population was just over 17,000 and now in 2024 there's just over 18,600. The issue is the older fans are dying off and the younger generation isn't replacing them. I go to as many games as I can but I don't see many folks my age at the games. There's a few but it's not a lot. People don't care like they used to and that's sad. We could pack that stadium each weekend, the people are here.

As far as a student section, we had one last year in the top left of the home stands as you face them. It rained almost every gone game last year and they stopped coming. I guess they didn't start it back up this year.
 
Attendance isn't a population issue. Not in the sense that there's not enough people here. In 1994 when homecoming was estimated at 14k people Cumberland's population was just over 17,000 and now in 2024 there's just over 18,600. The issue is the older fans are dying off and the younger generation isn't replacing them. I go to as many games as I can but I don't see many folks my age at the games. There's a few but it's not a lot. People don't care like they used to and that's sad. We could pack that stadium each weekend, the people are here.

As far as a student section, we had one last year in the top left of the home stands as you face them. It rained almost every gone game last year and they stopped coming. I guess they didn't start it back up this year.
There was just over 24K living in Cumberland in 1994. FH had 1100 students. Now 660 students. Almost half. But yes, mostly senior citizens here now.

Homecoming still today attracts roughly 4000 fans despite the competitive unbalance. Playoff games and other Friday nights maybe 600 fans. Half of those are visitors.
 
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I've been reading on the MOCO site about how two 4A schools in PG county can't field a football team, High Point being one, and several others just barley having enough with around 20 players. Hard to believe schools with 14-1500 enrollments can't field football teams.
 
There was just over 24K living in Cumberland in 1994. FH had 1100 students. Now 660 students. Almost half. But yes, mostly senior citizens here now.

Homecoming still today attracts roughly 4000 fans despite the competitive unbalance. Playoff games and other Friday nights maybe 600 fans. Half of those are visitors.
Not according to Google
 
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