FH v. Frankfort
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2points I get what your saying. That would be a fantastic match-up this year! I think FH would have a nice edge on turf while Frankfort would have a slight advantage on grass, especially if its sloppy like last game. We all know it can't happen, but we can imagine if it did, what would be the result.
HOw about Fort Hill vs. Good Counsel.
How about Frankfort vs. Don Bosco Prep.
How about Frostburg State vs Alabama.
How about the Western MD Stags vs Denver Broncos.
How about the Ridgeley Hawks vs the Toronto Argonauts.
Man, Id like to see those.
How about Frankfort vs. Don Bosco Prep.
How about Frostburg State vs Alabama.
How about the Western MD Stags vs Denver Broncos.
How about the Ridgeley Hawks vs the Toronto Argonauts.
Man, Id like to see those.
You never know until you play. On paper, FH was 4-5 TD's better than Alco but Alco's defense held FH to basically 10 points as a fumble at the 8, a pick six and a safety accounted for the other 16 points. Truth be told, if Alco played a mistake free game, Homecoming would have been 10-0 (don't think Alco scores that late TD if it's a closer game). Only Keyser and Alco was able to hold FH under 30. I think FH would beat Frankfort but I think it would be a heck of a game. Shame of Frankfort for dropping Alco and FH from their schedule.
I think key games this year were held to the scores you saw based on play calling and not team capabilities. Just an observation.
Re: FH v. Frankfort reunite?
I agree with you WesternMD, it would be a heck of a game but I still feel FH WOULD PULL AWAY
I wonder if Frankfort's success this season:
1. Reinforces their decision to keep FH and Alco off their schedule
2. Proves to their coaches and players that they can compete with the cumberland schools and leads to the schools scheduling regular season games ( it was brought to my attention that they cannot play in the playoffs, we'll dah)
I agree with you WesternMD, it would be a heck of a game but I still feel FH WOULD PULL AWAY
I wonder if Frankfort's success this season:
1. Reinforces their decision to keep FH and Alco off their schedule
2. Proves to their coaches and players that they can compete with the cumberland schools and leads to the schools scheduling regular season games ( it was brought to my attention that they cannot play in the playoffs, we'll dah)
Why shame on Frankfort? Do FH and Alco feel entitled that Frankfort should play them? I'm getting so tired of this ideology. Frankfort does not need Fort Hill or Allegany. Their principal and coaching staff have made it quite clear their MO is not to be the best in Cumberland, it's to be the best in WV AA.
Kudos to Frankfort for doing what they need to do to get to the state title game. FH and Alco have done exactly the same thing over the last few years.
If Fort Hill and Alco weren't struggling to find games, this would be such a non-issue. This is not Frankfort's problem.
I certainly do not blame Frankfort for dropping FH and Alco especially if they thought their program could improve and it has!
My question is at what point do you reconsider playing teams that are 15 minutes away ... If not now than most likely never.
1. FH is still a better program than Frankfort
2. Alco is even ... And has more tradition playing the school
fans want to see these games this is not the time to throw up your hands, instead this is the year to turn up the heat.
My question is at what point do you reconsider playing teams that are 15 minutes away ... If not now than most likely never.
1. FH is still a better program than Frankfort
2. Alco is even ... And has more tradition playing the school
fans want to see these games this is not the time to throw up your hands, instead this is the year to turn up the heat.
Sorry to be so defiant about this, but some FH fans needs to just move on. It's not going to happen. If you don't agree with why, that's fine. But it's not up to FH to make teams play them. Frankfort is a WV AA school, not a MD 1A west regional foe like Northern or Smithsburg who MUST win in the same division to move forward in the playoffs (yet refuse to play FH). Those are teams to be miffed at. As I have said before conferences and area titles should not take precedence over regional in state play. When teams in FH's region say they have "other commitments" than play regional ball, that's an issue. Not a team in a different state and different class. Yeah, Frankfort is close to us but again, it's not their problem.
I'm more interested in seeing how diligent we are being in trying to get into the MVAL - I would hope that the Todds, and whoever else might be relevant, are damn near begging to be included in the newly re-aligned MVAL as it gets finalized. Games within an hour and a half drive, a set number of regionally relevant conference games, Middletown and South High for bonus points and tough games. It would be awesome. The best set up for Fort Hill.
But if FH fans want to be pissed about something, be pissed about that...not about Frankfort.
Just my opinion.
The MVAL would be our best bet. If ALL three schools pushed, FH, Alco, Mt Ridge, that might make a difference. No reason I see that it can't be done for football only. It would add excitement to the schedules of the MVAL schools to play new teams. Not to mention making the "region" more legitimate.
If in another universe the MVAL would accept FH and expand into Allegany County do you think they will vote to put FH in the small school conference. Smithsburg, Williamsport, Boonsboro and Brunswick will have nothing of it. SHHS is 3A and does not want any part if FH. FH will be in with TJ, Urbana, Linganore, Tuscarora, SHHS and whomever else they realign the conference with, possibly Middletown and NHHS. FH will have one of its toughest schedules in school history. According to the small ball philosophy that is not what FH should be doing so I am confused why you want to see FH in the MVAL. I would love to see them in there but it could be brutal in some years but what is the difference with running from Martinsburg. Urbana, TJ, And Linganore is a potential 3 losses. Tuscarora was up for a few years as well and who knows what they will be in years to come. I think FH could compete but it's hypocritical to want the MVAL but not not other big schools. It would be a miracle if MVAL allows FH into the small school conference.
I am on the side that the MVAL will never consider adding teams from Allegany County especially considereding that Frederick and Carroll County will most likely build additional schools at some point.
1. People do not want to watch Southern and Northern play football against either Cumberland school... Hancock, Clear Spring would be worse and the other regional teams want nothing to do with either school
2. I really don't care to argue the Frankfort scheduling refusal any more than anyone else ... It just seems like the old arguement that frankfort can't compete holds very little legitamacy when the team is playing for a state title. Maybe and just maybe if gamies were handled better and teams were more conjenial with each other the stadium would see a return of powder blue. I'd take that game over anything from the MVAL
I'm rooting for Frankfort to win this week. What kind of message does it send to the players if you are a state champion but won't drive across a river to play a local game.
1. People do not want to watch Southern and Northern play football against either Cumberland school... Hancock, Clear Spring would be worse and the other regional teams want nothing to do with either school
2. I really don't care to argue the Frankfort scheduling refusal any more than anyone else ... It just seems like the old arguement that frankfort can't compete holds very little legitamacy when the team is playing for a state title. Maybe and just maybe if gamies were handled better and teams were more conjenial with each other the stadium would see a return of powder blue. I'd take that game over anything from the MVAL
I'm rooting for Frankfort to win this week. What kind of message does it send to the players if you are a state champion but won't drive across a river to play a local game.
For the record -- MVAL schools -- in the same West Region -- with the same open dates with FH -- all have said no way to playing FH in football. Yes because FH is too good. That includes Smithsburg, Boonsboro, Brunswick, Clear Spring, Hancock. That also applies to every Washington County school regardless of class size.
So basically...all of Washington County, all of Garrett County, all of Mineral County, all of Hampshire County, all of Bedford County. Out of every single county that borders Allegany County, the only team that will play FH in football is Keyser. PERIOD. Think about that for a moment.
So basically...all of Washington County, all of Garrett County, all of Mineral County, all of Hampshire County, all of Bedford County. Out of every single county that borders Allegany County, the only team that will play FH in football is Keyser. PERIOD. Think about that for a moment.
Not sure why you are so confused...did you read the article that was posted a few weeks ago?
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sports/the-mval-needs-to-be-reconfigured/article_464ca1b5-7d11-59b8-906f-c5d41dfeece1.html
It shifts the alignment to enrollment based classification. So FH would not be playing Linganore and TJ, I never said they would be. Read the article, look at what the realignment is proposed to be (my original post above was about begging to be in the newly remodeled MVAL) - my mistake on which division North or South would be in.
If the MVAL is making this change to deal with enrollment/playoff issues, why would they have size based divisions then balk at Fort Hill being in the division with other like sized schools? They are trying to keep some parity for the playoffs. I'm actually surprised they are doing it, but that's how it should be - and the 3A schools are getting tired of South getting a free pass for playing a weak schedule. The state of MD says FH is a 1A school. So that's what they are.
I agree with you that it's a far fetched idea, even though it is entirely feasible. FH would do well in either the 2A or 1A division, although it defeats the purpose to play in the 2A division and still avoid playing any regional 1A teams. But at least it would give FH 7 guaranteed games. FH is already down to playing only one 1A West team in Alco...so what's the difference in still only playing 1 and the rest 2A teams?
It could be done.
Isn't Chestnut Ridge in Bedford County? And look for Keyser to be gone in two years.
But I digress..I agree with you that those teams are saying no. And we've been lead to believe that they say no because of conference commitments. If FH is in their conference, then they have no choice. South Hagerstown has also refused to play other 3A west schools, which is why the MVAL is fixing that problem. SHHS has no choice now unless they leave the conference.
Soooo...seeing as how the MVAL is seeking to create parity, why would one surmise that the MVAL as an entity would balk at FH? And like I said in my other post, they could even play in the 2A division. So the 1A schools could still be "safe" until the playoffs.
My primary concern lies mostly with FH having enough games to fill the schedule, while playing some competitive games, without having to schedule up two classes or play the Homeschooled Sisters of the Poor. My secondary concern is in playing 1A west schools.
I have a ton of good friends that work and live at Frankfort. None of this is ever directed at those good people. But when it comes to doing what is best for kids then I speak up. Frankfort should be playing the Cumberland schools in all sports. I can't be anymore blunt than that. The reasons I have heard and seen cited are actually borderline fairy tales disguised to hide the truth. Frankfort playing Oak Glen and North Marion in football instead of Cumberland schools does not affect their WV status in any way, shape or form. Alco, FH and Frankfort are all WV Class AA size and a stone's throw away from each other with big gate receipts when they meet. The reason it doesn't happen is because the Cumberland schools beat Frankfort soundly in football. Spin it anyway you want. That's the reason. Don't beat around the bush. Nobody has the stones to state the obvious. I
would have more respect if some of you just spoke the truth and moved
on. Then people would leave it alone.
This post was edited on 12/1 1:51 PM by TDHelmick
would have more respect if some of you just spoke the truth and moved
on. Then people would leave it alone.
This post was edited on 12/1 1:51 PM by TDHelmick
Frankfort Principal Joe Riley basically admitted this in the paper one time. I can't remember the story or where I read it, but I know others saw it. We've discussed it. he said he was worried the Frankfort players would get hurt or something like that. Like I said, disagree with it all you want - but the case is closed. It's Frankfort's decision to make. I don't think any Frankfort people I've talked to, some of whom are family and close friends, make any bones about why they don't play. They admit they aren't competitive enough year in and out.
Frankfort will never play Fort Hill and Allegany both in a season. They may, someday, somehow agree to alternating home and home contracts...that's the best and only feasible suggestion I've heard from anyone even remotely associated with the team. I doubt it happens either. I still say it's time to get over it and do what needs to be done.
Both scenarios are wishful. The MVAL seems more realistic to me.
This post was edited on 12/1 2:04 PM by FHHSAHS
Frankfort will never play Fort Hill and Allegany both in a season. They may, someday, somehow agree to alternating home and home contracts...that's the best and only feasible suggestion I've heard from anyone even remotely associated with the team. I doubt it happens either. I still say it's time to get over it and do what needs to be done.
Both scenarios are wishful. The MVAL seems more realistic to me.
This post was edited on 12/1 2:04 PM by FHHSAHS
Correction, yes Chestnut Ridge is in Bedford County. Not sure why I thought they were in Somerset County.
FH will find 10 football games to play. As always some of you won't like the opponent(s). But don't blame FH when no one in the surrounding counties, region or entire class will play Fort Hill. And yes it is because FH is too good. That happens when you have won 27 games in a row. I've come to accept these facts. Teams should not have to be forced into playing each other. On that same note they also should not be forced to compete for the same playoffs spots.
FH will find 10 football games to play. As always some of you won't like the opponent(s). But don't blame FH when no one in the surrounding counties, region or entire class will play Fort Hill. And yes it is because FH is too good. That happens when you have won 27 games in a row. I've come to accept these facts. Teams should not have to be forced into playing each other. On that same note they also should not be forced to compete for the same playoffs spots.
Should I take this to mean there has been no recent (as in the last few weeks) attempts to get involved in MVAL discussions with any of those teams? As unlikely as it might be, just wondered if (in light of the article) there were any feelers put out.
I know Fh will get 10 games...unfortunately you will have more and more instances of FAET's and teams cancelling and the standard schedule poo-pooing you normally get from the peanut gallery. I don't know how you deal with it. But I just see it continuously getting harder (because I would hope FH remains strong enough to have this problem). It's a conundrum.
I'd like to go on record to say I have no real problem with the schedule we had this year. It got us the points we needed to get homefield throughout, we faced a couple strong playoff teams, it was what it was. I fully support and agree that we should not be expecting Fort Hill to play 3A and 4A powerhouses just because our regional or local area teams won't schedule us. That is FH's prerogative as well. So be it.
I'm just always looking out for any windows I can see that might make the scheduling a little less crazy.
I know Fh will get 10 games...unfortunately you will have more and more instances of FAET's and teams cancelling and the standard schedule poo-pooing you normally get from the peanut gallery. I don't know how you deal with it. But I just see it continuously getting harder (because I would hope FH remains strong enough to have this problem). It's a conundrum.
I'd like to go on record to say I have no real problem with the schedule we had this year. It got us the points we needed to get homefield throughout, we faced a couple strong playoff teams, it was what it was. I fully support and agree that we should not be expecting Fort Hill to play 3A and 4A powerhouses just because our regional or local area teams won't schedule us. That is FH's prerogative as well. So be it.
I'm just always looking out for any windows I can see that might make the scheduling a little less crazy.
Just two years ago all Allegany County schools had a proposal on the table that was going to put all 3 county teams into the MVAL. In fact it seemed like pretty close to a done deal. We actually stopped filling the football schedule to allow for the move. But it didn't pan out. The specific reasons why it fell through I never found out. The reasons however are easy and logical to assume.
The MVAL is very well aware of the situation. If you are asking if someone locally called the MVAL this week or last week or last month...I don't know. Doubtful. After letting them know every year for the last 4-5 years that Allegany County schools want into the MVAL it seems like a moot point to continue asking every month. But I have discussed this before, you can't move into the MVAL in just football. It has to be all or nothing for every sport. And that is a huge financial/time stamp for both sides that is not beneficial. If the Washington County schools don't want to play FH in football, why would they want them in the MVAL in football only? It cannot be voted through. That is not an option no matter who or how many times we ask.
However, I have stated that something has to give whether we all want it to or not. The whole scenario where the Top 8 football teams make the playoffs from Class 1A West is going to get pushed through all the way to Annapolis if need be. It will require every AD from all 11 Class 1A West schools to sign off on. And I believe there is a good chance that might happen. It just makes sense. It alleviates everything that has created these football scheduling problems for everyone. Homecoming will get bumped up a week and everyone plays a 9 game regular season schedule. Losing to powerhouse schools would then be irrelevant. In fact, you probably would want to play competitive schools at that point. Those wheels are in motion and Ned has been made aware already by higher authorities. Those same county higher authorities in an official capacity know the local problem well and have finally had enough
What this means is that Maryland Class 1A West will try to model the Pennsylvania regional set up without however having to play more than 14 games to win a championship.
This post was edited on 12/1 4:48 PM by TDHelmick
The MVAL is very well aware of the situation. If you are asking if someone locally called the MVAL this week or last week or last month...I don't know. Doubtful. After letting them know every year for the last 4-5 years that Allegany County schools want into the MVAL it seems like a moot point to continue asking every month. But I have discussed this before, you can't move into the MVAL in just football. It has to be all or nothing for every sport. And that is a huge financial/time stamp for both sides that is not beneficial. If the Washington County schools don't want to play FH in football, why would they want them in the MVAL in football only? It cannot be voted through. That is not an option no matter who or how many times we ask.
However, I have stated that something has to give whether we all want it to or not. The whole scenario where the Top 8 football teams make the playoffs from Class 1A West is going to get pushed through all the way to Annapolis if need be. It will require every AD from all 11 Class 1A West schools to sign off on. And I believe there is a good chance that might happen. It just makes sense. It alleviates everything that has created these football scheduling problems for everyone. Homecoming will get bumped up a week and everyone plays a 9 game regular season schedule. Losing to powerhouse schools would then be irrelevant. In fact, you probably would want to play competitive schools at that point. Those wheels are in motion and Ned has been made aware already by higher authorities. Those same county higher authorities in an official capacity know the local problem well and have finally had enough
What this means is that Maryland Class 1A West will try to model the Pennsylvania regional set up without however having to play more than 14 games to win a championship.
This post was edited on 12/1 4:48 PM by TDHelmick
Fort Hill Bridgeport would be a great match up although Fort Hill would not be a guaranteed win so Fort Hill won't let it happen. From an outsiders view who has watched both teams over the years Bridgeport wins 8-10 as they are fundamentally sound and teach the kids the same O and D from the first day a kid plays Pop Warner in the town, trust me no comparison to Cumberlands feeders.
Trust me, eers. There is not a thing Bridgeport does that FH isnt doing for the program. Programmatically they are near mirror images. From the way they work with their feeder programs, the top of the line weight program, their coaching, etc.
If Bridgeport agreed to match open dates for a guaranteed home and home series, paying their own way..Id be willing to bet FH would seriously consider it. Bridgeport about 2 hours away from Cumberland? FH was willing to go 3 hours to Kent Island, so distance would be okay.
Trust me, FH wouldnt duck them if they got a good deal without having to pay the way for the Indians. Itd be a fun game.
If Bridgeport agreed to match open dates for a guaranteed home and home series, paying their own way..Id be willing to bet FH would seriously consider it. Bridgeport about 2 hours away from Cumberland? FH was willing to go 3 hours to Kent Island, so distance would be okay.
Trust me, FH wouldnt duck them if they got a good deal without having to pay the way for the Indians. Itd be a fun game.
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