Sure that everyone is thinking about this so might as well start the thread.........am sure that the Times News will make them "Co Area Teams of the Year" like them do when they hand out 17 all area players on the offense when there should only be 11. Participation Trophy Time!
Area #1 - Frankfort or Fort Hill
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Who you play should matter so it should be:
1. FH
2. Frankfort
3. Northern
4. Ridge
WCBC will take the no one gets their feelings hurt approach and it’ll be
1. FH and Frankfort
2. Northern
3. Mountain ridge and allegany
The player of the year awards are going to be interesting because playoff stats have been proven to matter. Daniel’s should win POY but that leaves OPOY open. WCBC has been naming resh OPOY since the middle of the season but pattison from Frankfort has to be favored over resh to win it.
1. FH
2. Frankfort
3. Northern
4. Ridge
WCBC will take the no one gets their feelings hurt approach and it’ll be
1. FH and Frankfort
2. Northern
3. Mountain ridge and allegany
The player of the year awards are going to be interesting because playoff stats have been proven to matter. Daniel’s should win POY but that leaves OPOY open. WCBC has been naming resh OPOY since the middle of the season but pattison from Frankfort has to be favored over resh to win it.
Fort Hill. Hands down. Frankfort had opportunity to prove themselves as the areas best this year, but declined. And to think this year they could have had a forfeit win. To be considered the best in the area, they need to at least be willing to play the best in the area.
Daniels POY and it's not even close. Forgetting about his offensive contributions, the only thing stopping him from being the best defensive player in the area is Nick Willison. If POY is just about offense, then Daniels should have been POY last year. I would agrue that he probably should have been anyway. Was a top defensive player last year as well.
Northern still played 4 extra games one of which was against a mountain ridge team who beat allegany and allegany went 1 and done.
Daniel’s was good, but the best on defense would definitely be an argument. Only a few people probably watched Frankfort much this year. I agree Northern will be ranked above Alco, it’s only because they had a walk thru the playoffs. Allegany would have done it easier if they were at that seed
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frankfort refused to play fh this year when fh begged them to play. picked up williamstown instead. Chose to avoid fh next season and pick up alco instead. whatever. Thats their choice as they don't owe anybody. but when it comes to awards and who is the best then bare the consequences. When frankfort coaches say fh would beat them 10 years in a row that answers your question from the people that matter most.
FRANKFORT WON'T PLAY FORT HILL
They played absolutely nobody in 14 games this season. Not one tea m.
FRANKFORT WON'T PLAY FORT HILL
They played absolutely nobody in 14 games this season. Not one tea m.
FH has never begged Frankfort to play. And I'm tired of saying it, but 9 out of 10 times the game benefits neither side. Get the hell over it.
Frankfort went undefeated and won their first ever title. They were more convincing for the whole season and through the playoffs. Yes FH played some tough teams this season...but they didn't play tougher teams in the playoffs. They just happened to be on the road and, I know it will bother some FH crazies...but this FH team was not one of the best ever. This was a good team with some young players across the line. They still were just a bit better than the other 1A teams. Frankfort was leaps and bounds better than any team in their classification.
This was one of Frankforts best teams in recent history. They should be area champs. Period.
But for God's sake stop bitching about Frankfort not playing FH. They don't need to. They're not going to. FH and Frankfort are doing just fine without that game on the schedule.
For COY I'd say Phil Carr. His last year coaching. Took Northern further than they've ever been. I think he's the sentimental and logical choice.
Frankfort went undefeated and won their first ever title. They were more convincing for the whole season and through the playoffs. Yes FH played some tough teams this season...but they didn't play tougher teams in the playoffs. They just happened to be on the road and, I know it will bother some FH crazies...but this FH team was not one of the best ever. This was a good team with some young players across the line. They still were just a bit better than the other 1A teams. Frankfort was leaps and bounds better than any team in their classification.
This was one of Frankforts best teams in recent history. They should be area champs. Period.
But for God's sake stop bitching about Frankfort not playing FH. They don't need to. They're not going to. FH and Frankfort are doing just fine without that game on the schedule.
For COY I'd say Phil Carr. His last year coaching. Took Northern further than they've ever been. I think he's the sentimental and logical choice.
You’re right. It wasn’t one of FH’s best teams, and many knew it coming in. Yet, it was looking to be one of Frankfort’s best since the preseason. So, if Frankfort wasn’t willing to pick up FH when they had an open game, then how or why should they be the area champ?
If Frankfort doesn’t need to play FH then they shouldn’t be compared to or be considered better then FH. There are only 2 teams in this area that don’t play FH but both are on Allegany’s schedule next year
Then stop pushing BS like this. its embarrasing to read anyone type something that stupid while at the same time telling others to stop bitching on the subject. I stated frankfort doesn't owe the area anything by scheduling ridge and alco but not FH. Fine but shut the hell up about any comparison. nYou are dead wrong though about it not benefiting anybody. Please already. It benefits a ton financially and travel costs, excitement, rivalry etc. Stating it doesn't benefit becauseFH just beats frankfort 10 years in a row. In that case yep. Just admit it like the frankfort coaches do and stop there.
FH did beg frankfort to play this year and next year. just ask the schedule guy here.
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Good Lord. Are you guys pounding on your keyboards as you type? Polls are polls...they are opinions. They're based on what people feel. I think Frankfort would've probably beaten FH this year, and you can't prove me wrong ... That's what an opinion is. Both teams did what they needed to do and beat the teams in their class to win a state title. Neither WV AA or MD 1A are juggernauts. But Frankfort did it better.
But this argument over polls is almost hilarious watching some of y'all react the way you are. College polls are the same way. Granted they are finally going to a playoff system but even still it's based on opinion who gets in. It's just a damn poll, ffs. Personally it doesn't even make sense to have a local poll for football. But "who plays FH" shouldn't be the measuring stick for who deserves to be ranked and where. It's based on whom performed the best and had the best season.
But this argument over polls is almost hilarious watching some of y'all react the way you are. College polls are the same way. Granted they are finally going to a playoff system but even still it's based on opinion who gets in. It's just a damn poll, ffs. Personally it doesn't even make sense to have a local poll for football. But "who plays FH" shouldn't be the measuring stick for who deserves to be ranked and where. It's based on whom performed the best and had the best season.
Then why doesnt frankfort just play FH? wtf are people crying about when someone asks this question? They are 15 min apart, have about the same amount of students, play in every other sport, play football from 1st grade through 8th grade competitively. These two playing each other does not benefit anyone? The dumbest excuse ever heard. it benefits the kids and the community immensly. For one the gate could have paid for all of the frankfort championship bus money instead of asking for donations. It stops frankfort from driving for 3 hours to play a one year deal and it keeps FH from bringing in teams from NY and OH. if frankfort is going to puss out every season then stop the comparison that we are better. Frankfort craps their pants if FH shows up because they haven't seen anything remotely that fast.
frankfort is playing mountain ridge, alco and northern but will not play FH because they afraid to get their ass beat every single year. Their own coaches admit it. What part about that don't you get when talking nonsense about frankfort being a local champion? wow.
frankfort is playing mountain ridge, alco and northern but will not play FH because they afraid to get their ass beat every single year. Their own coaches admit it. What part about that don't you get when talking nonsense about frankfort being a local champion? wow.
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gotta go with Brian here. His argument is stronger. Frankfort had a very good year. Congratulations to them. Alkire has proven himself by playing anyone and everyone! Whiteman can’t say that. To me that speaks volumes. FH 1 Frankfort 2.
Frankfort had a good team and congratulations to them, but their opponents in the playoffs were terrible. They were more convincing because they literally played no one good this year.. it was a great year for them to showcase their talent because Mountain Ridge was very bad also.. what you’re going to find is that Mountain Ridge will continue to beat Frankfort and Frankfort will be a powerhouse in AA West Virginia.
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Final Poll
1 Frankfort
2 Fort Hill
3 Northern
4 Mountain Ridge
5 Allegany
Coach of Year Kevin Whiteman or Phil Carr
POY Jabril Daniels
OPOY Julian Pattison
DPOY Nick Willison
All The people in here upset that Frankfort doesn't play FH is just crazy, why should they? what does it benefit them to play a bigger school from another state? They played a Schedule of Teams that over the past 5-10 years were power teams in WV Playoffs, it's hard to tell when a team is going to have a down year. The Times-News sells paper in Mineral County and that's why they are included in the poll in the first place. You can all get mad and we can all have opinions and mine is I watched both of them play and it's of my opinion that this years Frankfort Team would of beat FH but that's all it is an opinion. Frankfort can run the football and they could also throw the ball and FH would not be able to stack the box as Frankfort is a much better passing team than what FH faced in Clear Spring, CSD, Perryville & Northern
1 Frankfort
2 Fort Hill
3 Northern
4 Mountain Ridge
5 Allegany
Coach of Year Kevin Whiteman or Phil Carr
POY Jabril Daniels
OPOY Julian Pattison
DPOY Nick Willison
All The people in here upset that Frankfort doesn't play FH is just crazy, why should they? what does it benefit them to play a bigger school from another state? They played a Schedule of Teams that over the past 5-10 years were power teams in WV Playoffs, it's hard to tell when a team is going to have a down year. The Times-News sells paper in Mineral County and that's why they are included in the poll in the first place. You can all get mad and we can all have opinions and mine is I watched both of them play and it's of my opinion that this years Frankfort Team would of beat FH but that's all it is an opinion. Frankfort can run the football and they could also throw the ball and FH would not be able to stack the box as Frankfort is a much better passing team than what FH faced in Clear Spring, CSD, Perryville & Northern
Comparing the two even being a topic of discussion is silly. Worrying about an “area champion” in an area where not everyone plays is just as dumb. As was stated previously, Frankfort’s own head coach is open and honest with his lack of interest in a game with FH. Doesn’t matter if it’s this year, next year, 10 years from now, or ten years ago he’s quite aware as to how much of an uphill climb that would be. That should be enough for everyone to realize that talking about the two is folly. FH is on a different level. If the media people want to give Frankfort a pat on the back for an undefeated year and a state title then so be it. I’m not opposed since it’s just all on paper. Thought this FH team was pretty average by program standards. They wouldn’t have won without the 6 class safety net.
It’s funny you start off by saying Frankfort’s number one and then you say why should Frankfort play Fort Hill. Here’s why they should play Fort Hill. The schools are approximately 10 miles apart and evidently people think Frankfort is nearly as good as Fort Hill or in this case better so why not play. Frankfort would still be in the playoffs Stop with all of these comparisons. The
Coaches at Frankfort didn’t want any part of Fort Hill this year. They know
Have to agree with the consensus. Frankfort may have even had the better team this year and refused to showcase it against FH. They did what they believed to be better for them. You can't fault them for that. You can't dodge your neighbor of similar size and want to be considered better than them. Enjoy the championship! It was well earned and deserved.
I'll go with 89 here. Frankfort knew what they had coming, and they knew that FH was in a reload year. Both teams have scheduled one-year deal. Williamstown was a one-year deal, so this isn't anything that's new. Both teams beat the teams that they should have beaten. I don't think that Frankfort could have beaten Dunbar or BW. I question if they could handle Hollidaysburg, East WOI, or Perryville. If you only look at common opponents. They both beat Northern and MR. Frankfort beat Northern by 31 at home while FH beat them by 35 at Northern (subs got playing time starting the second quarter). And again by 35 in the State final. MR played both Frankfort and FH at their house. Frankfort won by 37. FH won by 53. Bottom line is that FH out-performed Frankfort on these games.
Looking at the playoffs for both teams, it's impossible to compare anything. In Maryland, Perryville and CSD are closing the gap in 1A. We are starting to see some good contests as these teams have size, speed, and are well coached. In WV the teams are very bad in A and AA. If they do have some size, there is no speed to go with it, and coaching is questionable. AAA has Bridgeport and there is only about 8 teams in AAAA that consistently put a decent team on the field. Thanks to being retired, and NFHS, I've watched a lot of the playoffs for both States. (It got so bad that my wife started asking me who I'm going to watch each day.)
The final deciding factor is that this year Frankfort has a very good team, but FH has far too much speed. I'd say FH would win by 3 TDs. It's a shame that no one can prove me wrong. Let's hope that the next time this issue pops up, we can at least get a one year deal out of it.
Looking at the playoffs for both teams, it's impossible to compare anything. In Maryland, Perryville and CSD are closing the gap in 1A. We are starting to see some good contests as these teams have size, speed, and are well coached. In WV the teams are very bad in A and AA. If they do have some size, there is no speed to go with it, and coaching is questionable. AAA has Bridgeport and there is only about 8 teams in AAAA that consistently put a decent team on the field. Thanks to being retired, and NFHS, I've watched a lot of the playoffs for both States. (It got so bad that my wife started asking me who I'm going to watch each day.)
The final deciding factor is that this year Frankfort has a very good team, but FH has far too much speed. I'd say FH would win by 3 TDs. It's a shame that no one can prove me wrong. Let's hope that the next time this issue pops up, we can at least get a one year deal out of it.
why because I don't think it's smart for them to play when Frankfort wouldn't compete with them most years?
I seen both teams play multiple times and to me they are the better team this year.
We don't know if Frankfort would be in the playoffs most years, I think people are forgetting some of the Teams they played have been great Teams over the years but were down a little this year. Williamstown Finished 10-3 with 2 of those losses to Frankfort, They were 27-1 The previous 2 years and back to back Champions. Now because Frankfort ran them off the field twice people act like they were bad.
And we will never know. I think most believe including yourself if you want to be considered in an area title you can't duck your neighbor. It's just common sense. You can say that and still not slight what Frankfort accomplished. They chose their path and it worked for them. Some area title award they refused to take part in probably means nothing to them anyways. At least people that get participation awards actually participated. They didn't. Had FH finished below Allegany and Mountain Ridge you could make a good argument about it.
This is very well said. I couldn’t have written this better. I’m not sure where all of the Fort Hill hate comes from but coach Appel was definitely on to something.. congratulations to Frankfort. They had a great year. There are levels to this game.
I definitely am not a FH hater, far from it. But I'm also not wearing permanent red glasses.
Basically what you are all saying is FH is the litmus test for anyone in the area and no amount of accomplishment is worthy unless they beat FH. I disagree with that. Y'all are getting way too stirred up over an OPINION poll.
FH has accomplished everything they need to accomplish. Without Frankfort. It's irrelevant. But yet, some y'all are flipping your shit because how DARE another very successful team in the area that won more games and also their championship get more kudos than FH.
Like...chill out. Jeez. FH is still the cream of the crop of the area and we know Frankfort isn't beating them 9 out of 10 times. Who cares what people's opinions are...they're like assholes. Everyone has one. 🤷 Having an area poll is dumb. Arguing over it is even dumber. That's all.
Basically what you are all saying is FH is the litmus test for anyone in the area and no amount of accomplishment is worthy unless they beat FH. I disagree with that. Y'all are getting way too stirred up over an OPINION poll.
FH has accomplished everything they need to accomplish. Without Frankfort. It's irrelevant. But yet, some y'all are flipping your shit because how DARE another very successful team in the area that won more games and also their championship get more kudos than FH.
Like...chill out. Jeez. FH is still the cream of the crop of the area and we know Frankfort isn't beating them 9 out of 10 times. Who cares what people's opinions are...they're like assholes. Everyone has one. 🤷 Having an area poll is dumb. Arguing over it is even dumber. That's all.
My advice is do away with area championship mentality. There is no area championship. Just enjoy the success of both teams and move on. Declare both teams as a champion if you must.
It’s been said before, you can’t Duck the number one team in the area and then say you’re the best. It just doesn’t work that way. Ric Flair said it best. In order to be the man you have to beat the man.!!
How about everybody in the area just put on their Big Boy pants and play each other.
I probably should've led with a statement like this. It's kind of what I was driving at, it's really pointless to have an area football poll. Other sports, fine, all the teams are playing each other, a lot less room for the what ifs. But to get all that bent out of shape over the area football poll is an exercise in futility. With not all teams playing each other, regardless of the reasons they dont or how it makes anyone feel, there's no real science behind it. It's just a feature piece for the paper.
While it would be kind of nice to see that, can we really say, aside from bragging rights, does FH gain much from an X's and O's standpoint most years by adding Keyser and Frankfort to the schedule (even if it were an option)?
If we want to talk gate money, concessions money, or community "whateverness"...okay, maybe. But most years if Frankfort isn't competitive, are the crowds really going to be much different than Bridgeport or Dunbar? Idk..maybe, but over time, probably not.
I'm just looking at it from an on-field POV. Also, a scheduling POV. FH plays Northern, Southern, Ridge and Alco. Add Keyser and Frankfort...now you only have three spots to fill with Bridgeport, Dunbar, Or teams like Briar Woods or Hollidayburg, etc...and hope that they can match the few open spots you have. Sure that "only" leaves 3 spots to fill, so I'm sure that is appreciated from TDH and people who make the schedule. I get it. But dang, I like having those teams on the schedule. Do we possibly cut off our nose to spite our face? IDK. Maybe I'm over thinking it. And it's not really an option anyway, because Frankfort and Keyser aren't going to be back on the schedule anytime soon.
So it's a moo point. Like a cow's opinion...it's just "moo."
Agree
I don't have issues with Frankfort not playing FH. I absolutely am ecstatic they are successful and won a championship. They deserve it and have a great team. All I was pointing out is the obvious. I agree with Todd in why we even have the award. To me giving Frankfort some kind of award that they wouldn't play a rival similar sized school 10 minutes from their door is a kick in the face to participation award kids across America. 😂 At least kids getting a participation award participated for theirs.
Frankfort High School in West Virginia had 488 students enrolled for the 2022–2023 school year.
Fort Hill High School in Maryland It has 692 students in grades 9-12
it's still crazy to me that FH has that low of enrollment.
Allegany 684 Mountain Ridge 736 students
Fort Hill High School in Maryland It has 692 students in grades 9-12
it's still crazy to me that FH has that low of enrollment.
Allegany 684 Mountain Ridge 736 students
For the record, the Times-News does not have a final area poll for football. I spoke with Alex Rychwalski last night on a different matter and this came up. The newspaper keeps an area football poll through out the regular season but doesn't put a final poll out to declare any type of champion. This move was done over more than a decade ago for good reason...area teams are not playing each other.
So have at it on a message board or some other social media avenue. It's fair to express an opinion on who you think is better - that's what sports fans do. Frankfort and FH are great testaments to this area's dedication and love for the sport. We still play a very physical brand of football in these mountains. Old school in deed. And I have an appreciation for it.
Congrats to Frankfort on winning the AA state title. They had a heck of a team and a year for the ages. I do think it should be mentioned that Frankfort was supposed to compete in AAA this year but appealed to be moved back to AA. Frankfort is AAA is all other sports. Had Frankfort remained where they were supposed to be, they would have probably played Bridgeport for the AAA championship. Not saying they couldn't win that game, but they would have been the underdog.
Times News has laid the groundwork by giving Coach of the Year to Frankfort so FH can be named #1 without hard feelings. Then line up for your participation trophies
I like having Dunbar and Quality teams like this on the schedule also. No one wants to see Fort Hill put up 35 points in first half against a team in the area.. Frankfort and Mountain Ridge have consistently been putting good teams on the field, but if Frankfort wants to be considered the number one team in the area, then they actually need to play the number one team in the area. Until then, let’s just celebrate the fact that they won a state championship and move on..
By enrollment Frankfort should be AA, I heard they put them in AAA because they are close to Cumberland. Frankfort isn’t one of the largest AA schools. Roanne County who they played in the Championship has more students. Frankfort has less than 500 students Bridgeport has more than 800 students
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