Alco/FH Schedule Issue

[ConeyIsland]

Guys take it easy on me here since I'm new to this whole thing.. but don't FH and Alco both have scheduling issues? 2 good programs that seem to have trouble scheduling other tough programs in higher classes because:
A - if FH or Alco beat a 2A, 3A, 4A school, that school gets embarrassed AND loses playoff points
B - if FH or Alco lose to a 2A, 3A, 4A school, that school gets a knock for beating up on a little 1A school AND only gets 1A value playoff points as opposed to 2A, 3A or 4A value playoff points.

That's my very loose understanding of how the system works overall, and how it's an issue for FH and Alco. I could be wrong about it too, so if I am, could someone explain it to me?

Second issue, I've seen a lot of experts here getting emotional on the schedule toughness issue. Does the difficulty of schedule matter? In the case of FH for example, if you win states then it doesn't matter how hard your schedule was. You made it through three playoff games and a state championship game. Surely all four of those opponents weren't complete crap..??

 

[GenSneaky]

*everyone in the forum slaps their forehead simultaneously*

 

[4inarowtopthat]

*everyone in the forum slaps their forehead simultaneously*[
it is a rabbit hole nobody wants to go down

 

[Lagmeister]

Words and images fail.

 

[ConeyIsland]

Ah man y'all won't even help a fellow fan out here? I really am just trying to understand the whole basis of the scheduling argument. I get the issue with other weaker regions sending teams with like a 4-6 record to the playoffs, which is bogus, but along with what I noted in my initial post, I don't get the root of the scheduling discrepancies between FH and Alco. They both have at least decent schedules from the little bit that I know of.

 

[BoyznBlue]

Ah man y'all won't even help a fellow fan out here? I really am just trying to understand the whole basis of the scheduling argument. I get the issue with other weaker regions sending teams with like a 4-6 record to the playoffs, which is bogus, but along with what I noted in my initial post, I don't get the root of the scheduling discrepancies between FH and Alco. They both have at least decent schedules from the little bit that I know of.

FH is the best 1A school by far in recent years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the schedule. They have no incentive to change the schedule. Why would you change your philosophy if you're winning the state title every year?

The only question I have is when they say, "No other teams will play us" or "We cant get games" - It's kind of funny every other school in the state can get games - And it's a little disrespectful to the other programs to imply they are ducking you.

If you look at this poll of the best schools in Maryland, of the Top 25 and even the 6 teams getting votes, why hasn't FH played any of them in the last 10 years? http://www.mdprepfootball.com/?p=11503

You make a legitimate point about the point system in Maryland. That's why I wonder why FH/Alco don't pursue home and home games with the private schools. That would eliminate that excuse. Solid private programs like Calvert Hall, Good Counsel, Spalding and Riverdale Baptist have played MPSSAA schools this year. And referring back to the poll, FH is supposed to be better than those schools so why not play them? Those private schools also have the money to travel to WMD so that eliminates another excuse we hear all the time.

 

[ConeyIsland]

FH is the best 1A school by far in recent years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the schedule. They have no incentive to change the schedule. Why would you change your philosophy if you're winning the state title every year?

The only question I have is when they say, "No other teams will play us" or "We cant get games" - It's kind of funny every other school in the state can get games - And it's a little disrespectful to the other programs to imply they are ducking you.

If you look at this poll of the best schools in Maryland, of the Top 25 and even the 6 teams getting votes, why hasn't FH played any of them in the last 10 years? http://www.mdprepfootball.com/?p=11503

You make a legitimate point about the point system in Maryland. That's why I wonder why FH/Alco don't pursue home and home games with the private schools. That would eliminate that excuse. Solid private programs like Calvert Hall, Good Counsel, Spalding and Riverdale Baptist have played MPSSAA schools this year. And referring back to the poll, FH is supposed to be better than those schools so why not play them? Those private schools also have the money to travel to WMD so that eliminates another excuse we hear all the time.

That's exactly part of my confusion as to why anyone would have an issue with Alco's schedule or with FH's schedule. FH especially has proven that whoever they play, chances are they'll win. And if you argue that they have a weak schedule, which I don't know if they do but it doesn't seem like that's the case... I would say who cares how weak or strong their schedule is? What matters first is that they make the playoffs, which they've done very consistently and will probably continue to do. Then what matters is what they do once they make the playoffs, regardless of how they got there. They check that box too because they've won every playoff game and every state title game the past 4 years in a row. That tells me that it doesn't matter who they play during the regular season, thus my confusion on the argument.

And I'd say the same about Alco if they were on the run that FH has been on lately.

And don't get me wrong, I'd love to see both schools be able to schedule home/home series' with Good Counsel, Calvert Hall, Damascus, Churchill, and every other strong 2A-4A team east of Frederick. There's obviously a reason why that doesn't happen from those school's perspectives, but when asked what that reason is, the first 3 responders bowed out... which only heightens the intrigue.

 

[GenSneaky]

I never bowed out, I just feel like I’m wasting my time trying to do the same thing and hoping to get a different result. I will say I completely agree with you.

However... (I’m gonna regret saying this) I’m starting to come around on having a more challenging schedule. I’m all about enhancing my comfort zone, and making our schedule more competitive might fill more seats, and improve our standing across the entire State.

My major cons to that though.... 1 what if we miss the playoffs, and 2... what if we’re not hosting the 3 extra home games in the playoffs? Economics of that would really hurt the program. The kids playing this year grew up (as did every other class) dreaming of the day they would have their chance to win a state title. How were they supposed to know they’d be playing for the school’s 5th in a row. I can only imagine that type of pressure.

 

[GenSneaky]

I guess we’ll have to see how full the stadium is Saturday to test this “competition fills seats” theory

I do want to note that a number people from Keyser that I work with are driving down here to see “Fort Hill get their ass kicked”

 

[Lagmeister]

It would probably take a little time but if someone is that interested they can read the recent threads about scheduling. They're hard to miss. Actually, they are impossible to miss.

On the other hand, if you go in with a predisposition - then don't bother because they will not change your mind.

Actually, I think the focus this week should be on the immediate upcoming games.

FH will play what will be their only tough game so far and no doubt their toughest game all year. (Personally, I think this is what the young men should dream about - not a waltz to a ring as though it were a formal.)

Allegany will have to face Keyser in Keyser and the Campers better not start out flat again or they will leave the outcome in the hands of a potential flag.

 

[MCsoccerplex]

We can accept it or not, but location impacts the two Cumberland schools as much as anything. Location is the primary reason this area has very limited manufacturing/jobs, and, as a consequence, is declining in population.

Why travel 75+ miles when you can play multiple teams 10 miles away like on the 270 or 81 corridors?

When one figures in both city schools consistently have outstanding football programs, it becomes more of a challenge to schedule teams.

 

[BrianH1974]

Teams that refuse to play Fort Hill:

NOTHERN
SOUTHERN
KEYSER
FRANKFORT
HAMPSHIRE
BERKELEY SPRINGS
CLEAR SPRINGS
SMITHSBURG
BOONSBORO
NORTH HAGERSTOWN
SOUTH HAGERSTOWN
WILLIAMSPORT
HEDGESVILLE
WASHINGTON
JEFFERSON
SPRING MILLS
MUSSELMAN
JAMES WOOD
HANDLEY


Teams that would play Fort Hill is they have the same date open:

MARTINSBURG
MORGANTOWN
SHERANDO

I wouldn't play the bottom 3 teams unless 3 of the top teams play. Else you risk missing the playoffs behind teams at the top who refuse to play you. Alco and FH don't care about loading up with private schools. They are irrelevant in the playoff race.

 

[Wvu21795]

Teams that refuse to play Fort Hill:

NOTHERN
SOUTHERN
KEYSER
FRANKFORT
HAMPSHIRE
BERKELEY SPRINGS
CLEAR SPRINGS
SMITHSBURG
BOONSBORO
NORTH HAGERSTOWN
SOUTH HAGERSTOWN
WILLIAMSPORT
HEDGESVILLE
WASHINGTON
JEFFERSON
SPRING MILLS
MUSSELMAN
JAMES WOOD
HANDLEY


Teams that would play Fort Hill is they have the same date open:

MARTINSBURG
MORGANTOWN
SHERANDO

I wouldn't play the bottom 3 teams unless 3 of the top teams play. Else you risk missing the playoffs behind teams at the top who refuse to play you. Alco and FH don't care about loading up with private schools. They are irrelevant in the playoff race.

I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I know for a fact that not all these schools refused to play FH! I'm not taking anything away from FH because they have been a powerhouse for a while but you are being a little nieve to think they can't be beat by a few of these schools on your list

 

[Lagmeister]

I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I know for a fact that not all these schools refused to play FH! I'm not taking anything away from FH because they have been a powerhouse for a while but you are being a little nieve to think they can't be beat by a few of these schools on your list

At best, FH will only schedule 2 teams that have a chance to beat them plus Allegany. Anything else takes away their lock on the playoffs. Any other perspective on the subject is just kicking up dust. The schedule speaks for itself. Folks can post what they want, but my answer will always be the same: look at the freakin' schedule.

 

[cumbfanatic]

FH should beat the team from FL. They paid them to come here and are trying to hype them up. Yes, there will be a good crowd. There are plenty of competitive teams much closer that would have played them if that is what they wanted. It will be a fun night with a good crowd.

 

[BrianH1974]

I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I know for a fact that not all these schools refused to play FH! I'm not taking anything away from FH because they have been a powerhouse for a while but you are being a little nieve to think they can't be beat by a few of these schools on your list

None of those teams will play FH. NONE! Not even for a hefty paycheck. Otherwise at least one or two would be on the schedule. NONE, NOTTA, ZERO, AS IN NOBODY. No one in a hour drive will touch FH except the 2 county schools because they have to. Hence the problem.

 

[BrianH1974]

Guys take it easy on me here since I'm new to this whole thing.. but don't FH and Alco both have scheduling issues? 2 good programs that seem to have trouble scheduling other tough programs in higher classes because:
A - if FH or Alco beat a 2A, 3A, 4A school, that school gets embarrassed AND loses playoff points
B - if FH or Alco lose to a 2A, 3A, 4A school, that school gets a knock for beating up on a little 1A school AND only gets 1A value playoff points as opposed to 2A, 3A or 4A value playoff points.

That's my very loose understanding of how the system works overall, and how it's an issue for FH and Alco. I could be wrong about it too, so if I am, could someone explain it to me?

Second issue, I've seen a lot of experts here getting emotional on the schedule toughness issue. Does the difficulty of schedule matter? In the case of FH for example, if you win states then it doesn't matter how hard your schedule was. You made it through three playoff games and a state championship game. Surely all four of those opponents weren't complete crap..??

This is important to remember, which about says it all.

2017 STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE RANKINGS
Fort Hill - 4.63
Middletown - 4.86
Morgantown - 4.87
Allegany - 4.89
Walkersville - 4.90
Jefferson - 5.01
South Hagerstown - 5.51
Dunbar (Balt.) - 5.58
Mountain Ridge - 5.93
Washington - 6.22
Martinsburg - 6.22
Spring Mills - 6.41
Musselman - 6.77
North Hagerstown - 6.80
Williamsport - 6.88
Keyser - 7.28
Hampshire - 7.55
Hedgesville - 7.59
Boonsboro - 7.85
Frankfort - 8.21
Moorefield - 8.32
Southern Garrett - 8.65
East Hardy - 8.70
Francis Scott Key - 8.91
Northern Garrett - 9.59
Clear Spring - 9.74
Petersburg - 9.78
Catoctin - 9.87
Smithsburg - 9.89
Berkeley Springs - 10.65
Brunswick - 11.08
Hancock - 12.93

 

[cumbfanatic]

"They have to" lol........ do they really. Love the stuff you all come up with
What's Middletown 1 hr 20 min. I like how you kept it within an hour. Is Damascus much further.

 

[bigsavage]

I'm not sure where you are getting your information but I know for a fact that not all these schools refused to play FH! I'm not taking anything away from FH because they have been a powerhouse for a while but you are being a little nieve to think they can't be beat by a few of these schools on your list

He gets his information from jack in the box. You're better off talking to your family pet and getting the information than trying to get honest information from him or anyone else drinking the kool-aid.

 

[bigsavage]

"They have to" lol........ do they really. Love the stuff you all come up with
What's Middletown 1 hr 20 min. I like how you kept it within an hour. Is Damascus much further.

Don't forget about Walkersville.. He knew what he was doing keeping it within an hr. lol

 

[kkram]

Please read this BrianH1974. "FH and Southern talked back in early November. We could not get a date set up for 2017 at the time. But Southern did ask about a game, and FH asked for more than just a 2 year contract. It sounded like Southern was willing to go with that. This was all during the heat of the FH playoff run. Southern had only one week open at the time. I believe it was Week 8 where FH also had Sherando. And FH and Sherando were also in talks about another game. Southern could not wait on an answer as they had other options. That is the logical move with scheduling that any coach or AD would make.You can only keep another team on hold for so long".

"Southern AD Matt Redinger and I have become very good friends the last 5 years or so. I bounce many things off of him and hopefully vice-versa that are related and unrelated to football. Despite him being a Duke and Notre Dame fan I have been able to look past all that. LOL. Using hindsight I wish we (mostly myself) would have just pushed all the other options off the table and just got this 2017 deal done. Maybe something will work out for 2018"

18 TDHelmick, Mar 20, 2017
Last edited: Mar 20, 2017

Don not include Southern in your discussion that "none of these teams will play FH".

 

[camper21502]

Please read this BrianH1974. "FH and Southern talked back in early November. We could not get a date set up for 2017 at the time. But Southern did ask about a game, and FH asked for more than just a 2 year contract. It sounded like Southern was willing to go with that. This was all during the heat of the FH playoff run. Southern had only one week open at the time. I believe it was Week 8 where FH also had Sherando. And FH and Sherando were also in talks about another game. Southern could not wait on an answer as they had other options. That is the logical move with scheduling that any coach or AD would make.You can only keep another team on hold for so long".

"Southern AD Matt Redinger and I have become very good friends the last 5 years or so. I bounce many things off of him and hopefully vice-versa that are related and unrelated to football. Despite him being a Duke and Notre Dame fan I have been able to look past all that. LOL. Using hindsight I wish we (mostly myself) would have just pushed all the other options off the table and just got this 2017 deal done. Maybe something will work out for 2018"

18 TDHelmick, Mar 20, 2017
Last edited: Mar 20, 2017

Don not include Southern in your discussion that "none of these teams will play FH".

Don't blame Brian H he is just one of many that buys into Helmicks nobody will play us crap...

 

[camper21502]

I as ag

FH is the best 1A school by far in recent years. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the schedule. They have no incentive to change the schedule. Why would you change your philosophy if you're winning the state title every year?

The only question I have is when they say, "No other teams will play us" or "We cant get games" - It's kind of funny every other school in the state can get games - And it's a little disrespectful to the other programs to imply they are ducking you.

If you look at this poll of the best schools in Maryland, of the Top 25 and even the 6 teams getting votes, why hasn't FH played any of them in the last 10 years? http://www.mdprepfootball.com/?p=11503

You make a legitimate point about the point system in Maryland. That's why I wonder why FH/Alco don't pursue home and home games with the private schools. That would eliminate that excuse. Solid private programs like Calvert Hall, Good Counsel, Spalding and Riverdale Baptist have played MPSSAA schools this year. And referring back to the poll, FH is supposed to be better than those schools so why not play them? Those private schools also have the money to travel to WMD so that eliminates another excuse we hear all the time.

I completely agree... If FH is a dominate top 25 team every year. Why won't they play other teams ranked in the top 25? We aren't saying fill your schedule with those teams but it wouldn't hurt to play just one of them each yr. You would still be in the playoffs if you guys lost.. I guess the only reason why FH won't play another top 25 school is because they're goal is to go undefeated each yr.

 

[BrianH1974]

Don't listen to Camper21502. He is another disgruntled Alco fan tired of getting beat. This year will make 12 in a row.

FH already plays the toughest schedule around theae parts. That sums up how dumb and desperate he is.

 

[FHHSAHS]

I as ag

I completely agree... If FH is a dominate top 25 team every year. Why won't they play other teams ranked in the top 25? We aren't saying fill your schedule with those teams but it wouldn't hurt to play just one of them each yr. You would still be in the playoffs if you guys lost.. I guess the only reason why FH won't play another top 25 school is because they're goal is to go undefeated each yr.

What is this "Maryland Top 25" obsession? We say the poll means something then it doesnt mean something...it means nothing when FH is ranked ahead of certain teams, but it means something to prove FH is a good team if they play someone off of it...etc. Pick a lane.

If the argument is to play "one Maryland top 25 team," who determines which team is worthy of that? And if rankings and lists DO matter (which apparently they do at 10:10 a.m. today), then why would we not look at national rankings, and see that Melbourne Central is ranked higher nationally than most (not some but MOST) of the teams on that Maryland top 25 list?

This has to be the longest running, unorthodox and ever changing argument we've had on these boards.

 

[Lagmeister]

Don't forget about Walkersville.. He knew what he was doing keeping it within an hr. lol

Here is a 'by the numbers' update of schedule strength.

Surprise! Games are played one at a time:

FH slips a little while both Melbourne and Friendship fall. FH now outranks every team it plays this year. Please note that Allegany continues to gain higher rank basis it's actual strong schedule. Note also that FH now plays only 1 team close to its ability because Friendship slips equal to Allegany.

Fort Hill 670
USO 7083
Keyser 4412
Hollidaysburg 3704
Silver Oak 8459
Westinghouse 6813
Serra 6161
Melbourne 772
Friendship 1155
Ridge 7298
Allegany 1257

 

[LinemenWinGames]

Actually, almost all of these teams will not play FH except Southern. Southern and FH were going to play but FH wanted a 6-yr contract or something close to that (this was talked about on previous posts at the beginning of the year). Southern and FH could potentially play again. I have no idea about Berkeley Springs but why would they want to play FH.

But pretty much every single team on that top list will not sign with FH. I am not a schedule-maker but my line of work puts me in contact with the Washington County teams from time-to-time and coaches/admin that like talking football. Every admin/coach for every Washington County school refuses to schedule FH. Staff at 3A South Hagerstown told me last year before the game that South Hagerstown would not be playing FH anymore because they needed to find an opponent for a guaranteed win because of the heavy loaded 3A West; specifically a beatable 3A opponent. North Hagerstown's program is in the gutter as they are having an influx of Hispanic kids that are not interested in football. They successfully broke a contract with FH for a return game several year's back but the MPSSAA actually stepped in and made them honor it the following year. Williamsport staff two years ago told me that they would not put their kids at risk against such a physical team and Smithsburg staff laughed at the question about scheduling FH when talking about gate money. I was told that Smithsburg and Washington County doesn't need the extra gate money and why risk not making the playoffs by losing to FH. They would rather make the playoffs and lose to FH then, that was what was I was told. That person mentioned that they would not schedule Allegany in the regular season either because if they lose it is a double whammy as they help a region contender with points when maybe they would able to outpoint Allegany in some years and get a home game in the playoffs.

People keep hammering the schedule conversation and it is not going to change until the system changes, if it ever does. What happened to people actually talkling about X's and O's and people watching film and analyzing/predicting matchups. There used to be this type of conversation on this board, about football.

Give the schedule harp a rest, the haters, instigators, and drum beaters on both sides of the question and talk about the game inside the lines.

And instead of harping on FH and its admin there should be some congratulations. Two recent players are playing D1 with a third coming out with prestigious military academy honors, there have been some D2 players in the past decade and a couple playing at D3 at Frostburg which is on the rise nationally each year.

I will add that if the two schools ever do consolidate that Allegany just be absorbed into FH as changing the name to the debated Cumberland High and bringing the schools in as equals will just bring down what FH has built. ALCO has lost much of its tradition, probably can't even pay for the stadium lights and refs with it average home game attendance, especially without the FH followers that go to the ALCO games. Hopefully, absorbing ALCO and assimilating it into the FH fold will get rid of the whiners and haters, the same ones rhat continue to harp on FH's schedule when ALCO's schedule has been a joke for 30 years.

 

[Wvu21795]

So who was the "staff" you spoke to at Williamsport?

 

[Wvu21795]

Would love to see a FH vs Williamsport matchup this year because they are a very physical team and would definitely give FH all they could handle, and would have beaten allegany if the coaches subbed out more in the first half!

 

[Wvu21795]

Scheduling is done every 2 years, so Williamsport played Allegany in Cumberland this year and in Williamsport next year. Next summer the staff will start negotiating for the next two years with other teams so not sure where you get info!

 

[LinemenWinGames]

Would love to see a FH vs Williamsport matchup this year because they are a very physical team and would definitely give FH all they could handle, and would have beaten allegany if the coaches subbed out more in the first half!

The head coach. It was two years ago in 2015. They must have changed their mind for Alco this year but then they weren't considering it. It is a good question, if Alco why not FH? All but a few years the Homecoming and playoff
Games are close hard nosed battles.

 

[Wvu21795]

I have a feeling you might see it in 2019/2020

 

[Lagmeister]

Actually, almost all of these teams will not play FH except Southern. Southern and FH were going to play but FH wanted a 6-yr contract or something close to that (this was talked about on previous posts at the beginning of the year). Southern and FH could potentially play again. I have no idea about Berkeley Springs but why would they want to play FH.

But pretty much every single team on that top list will not sign with FH. I am not a schedule-maker but my line of work puts me in contact with the Washington County teams from time-to-time and coaches/admin that like talking football. Every admin/coach for every Washington County school refuses to schedule FH. Staff at 3A South Hagerstown told me last year before the game that South Hagerstown would not be playing FH anymore because they needed to find an opponent for a guaranteed win because of the heavy loaded 3A West; specifically a beatable 3A opponent. North Hagerstown's program is in the gutter as they are having an influx of Hispanic kids that are not interested in football. They successfully broke a contract with FH for a return game several year's back but the MPSSAA actually stepped in and made them honor it the following year. Williamsport staff two years ago told me that they would not put their kids at risk against such a physical team and Smithsburg staff laughed at the question about scheduling FH when talking about gate money. I was told that Smithsburg and Washington County doesn't need the extra gate money and why risk not making the playoffs by losing to FH. They would rather make the playoffs and lose to FH then, that was what was I was told. That person mentioned that they would not schedule Allegany in the regular season either because if they lose it is a double whammy as they help a region contender with points when maybe they would able to outpoint Allegany in some years and get a home game in the playoffs.

People keep hammering the schedule conversation and it is not going to change until the system changes, if it ever does. What happened to people actually talkling about X's and O's and people watching film and analyzing/predicting matchups. There used to be this type of conversation on this board, about football.

Give the schedule harp a rest, the haters, instigators, and drum beaters on both sides of the question and talk about the game inside the lines.

And instead of harping on FH and its admin there should be some congratulations. Two recent players are playing D1 with a third coming out with prestigious military academy honors, there have been some D2 players in the past decade and a couple playing at D3 at Frostburg which is on the rise nationally each year.

I will add that if the two schools ever do consolidate that Allegany just be absorbed into FH as changing the name to the debated Cumberland High and bringing the schools in as equals will just bring down what FH has built. ALCO has lost much of its tradition, probably can't even pay for the stadium lights and refs with it average home game attendance, especially without the FH followers that go to the ALCO games. Hopefully, absorbing ALCO and assimilating it into the FH fold will get rid of the whiners and haters, the same ones rhat continue to harp on FH's schedule when ALCO's schedule has been a joke for 30 years.

"ALCO's schedule has been a joke for 30 years."

Pure, unadulterated bullshit!
1987 - 2017... Thirty years? Allegany's actual schedule this year is beginning to make FH's look laughable!

 

[LinemenWinGames]

"ALCO's schedule has been a joke for 30 years."

Pure, unadulterated bullshit!
1987 - 2017... Thirty years? And Allegany's actual schedule this year is beginning to make FH's look laughable!

This post is laughable. Who is on this year's schedule besides FH and Dunbar that asks Alco's 2017 schedule killer. If you say Chestnut Ridge I will choke laughing and probably grow a third but by busting and intestine.

 

[LinemenWinGames]

I have a feeling you might see it in 2019/2020

I hope so. Washington County is growing in slowly growing in population and that includes Williamsport.

 

[Lagmeister]

This post is laughable. Who is on this year's schedule besides FH and Dunbar that asks Alco's 2017 schedule killer. If you say Chestnut Ridge I will choke laughing and probably grow a third but by busting and intestine.

My post is laughable? How about trying to defend your crap. Let's start with your opening bullshit claim:

"ALCO's schedule has been a joke for 30 years."

Don't just let it hang and try to change the subject. Defend your statement that Allegany's schedule has been a joke for 30 years. Upon what do you base that claim? Frankly, your "busting and intestine" will come from being over stuffed with your own crap.

Try as you might, you cannot put lipstick on a 7 game patsy pig.

Fort Hill 670
USO 7083
Keyser 4412
Hollidaysburg 3704
Silver Oak 8459
Westinghouse 6813
Serra 6161
Melbourne 772
Friendship 1155
Ridge 7298
Allegany 1257

 

[Lagmeister]

If you update the MaxPreps numbers for the entire regular season....
Average 10 game ranking of FH competitors: 4711
Average 10 game ranking of Alco competitors: 4460

Allegany plays a tougher schedule.... And let us not forget that FH is ranked 670 while Alco is ranked 1275.

Time for the FH fanatics to grab a little humility and brace themselves for the weekend. Enjoy it. Or do you all hate real competition for a change.

 

[hbpass2]

If you update the MaxPreps numbers for the entire regular season....
Average 10 game ranking of FH competitors: 4711
Average 10 game ranking of Alco competitors: 4460

Allegany plays a tougher schedule.... And let us not forget that FH is ranked 670 while Alco is ranked 1275.

Time for the FH fanatics to grab a little humility and brace themselves for the weekend. Enjoy it. Or do you all hate real competition for a change.

I thought you didn’t trust max preps?

 

[OneRing]

What is this "Maryland Top 25" obsession? We say the poll means something then it doesnt mean something...it means nothing when FH is ranked ahead of certain teams, but it means something to prove FH is a good team if they play someone off of it...etc. Pick a lane.

If the argument is to play "one Maryland top 25 team," who determines which team is worthy of that? And if rankings and lists DO matter (which apparently they do at 10:10 a.m. today), then why would we not look at national rankings, and see that Melbourne Central is ranked higher nationally than most (not some but MOST) of the teams on that Maryland top 25 list?

This has to be the longest running, unorthodox and ever changing argument we've had on these boards.

So the Top 25 means nothing, but maxpreps does?

 

[Lagmeister]

I thought you didn’t trust max preps?

As a matter of trust, not so many people, forecasts, polls or averages. As I have posted quite a few times, it is the information at hand, just like the 'strength of schedule' number that never seems to change around here despite the obvious change in rankings. Or, would you prefer my old obligatory 'for what is worth' disclaimer.