The Class 1A playoff using a 1-16 model

[TDHelmick]

If the Maryland Class 1A playoffs used the West Virginia playoff model that seeds everyone 1-16 instead of a regional model the brackets would look like this:

16. Manchester Valley at 1. Fort Hill
15. Fairmont Heights at 2. Edmondson
14. Northern Garrett at 3. FAET
13. Bohemia Manor at 4. Cambridge
12. Surrattsville at 5. Douglass
11. Allegany at 6. Havre de Grace
10. Kent County at 7. Forestville
9. Lake Clifton at 8. North Carroll

The only difference would be that Manchester Valley made the playoffs instead of Northwestern. Otherwise all other 15 teams in the Maryland Regional Playoffs are the same if using the 1-16 model.

 

[GREEN75]

I wish Maryland would adopt to this format. It would be fair to all the teams.

 

[bleedred]

The model I saw had FH at the 1st seed and Alco at the 11th. That would have put the two in a position to play for the State title had they both run the table. Tell me that wouldn't have been too sic!!!

 

[FHHSAHS]

The point Todd is making is that for the sake of fairness, the 1-16 format really is no different at all. Other than the matchups and distance travelled. Honestly, our current system worked out way better in this case.

 

[forthill#1]

Not in 3A.

 

[LinemenWinGames]

This post was edited on 11/10 1:07 PM by LinemenWinGames

 

[nomad974]

According to eagleinsider, 1A would look like this in a straight seeding 1-16 format



#16 Northwestern (Baltimore) (6-4) at #1 Fort Hill (10-0)

#15 Fairmont Heights (6-4) at #2 Edmondson (9-1)

#14 Northern Garrett (6-4) at #3 FAET (9-0)

#13 Bohemia Manor (6-4) at #4 Cambridge-South Dorchester (9-1)

#12 Surrattsville (6-4) at #5 Douglass (Baltimore) (9-1)

#11 Allegany (6-3) at #6 Havre de Grace (7-3)

#10 Kent County (7-3) at #7 Forestville Military (8-2)

# 9 Lake Clifton (7-2) at #8 North Carroll (7-3)

The same 16 teams would make the 1A playoffs in both formats. Northwestern makes it in over Man Valley on some weird criteria (not sure which one, maybe win points?)

 

[LinemenWinGames]

The straight 1-16 format would be more fair. There have been match-ups throughout the four classes since the regional system started that should be State Championship games or semi games that are happening in earlier rounds. Kids are getting ripped off at the deserving chance to get deeper in the playoffs or title game. Look at 3A west. The top two teams could very easily run the table but will have to knock each other out in the region before the state semis.

This post was edited on 11/10 1:08 PM by LinemenWinGames

 

[eaglesinsider]

Nomad,

I didn't have the final tiebreaker when I did my projections. MV is in over Northwestern (Baltimore). That's the only change I noticed in all my projections.

 

[FHHSAHS]

Originally posted by LinemenWinGames:
The straight 1-16 format would be more fair. There have been match-ups throughout the four classes since the regional system started that should be State Championship games or semi games that are happening in earlier rounds. Kids are getting ripped off at the deserving chance to get deeper in the playoffs or title game. Look at 3A west. The top two teams could very easily run the table but will have to knock each other out in the region before the state semis.

This post was edited on 11/10 1:08 PM by LinemenWinGames

The same happens with college (especially the SEC). At some point there has to be some definitive cutoff. In order to be the best you have to A) win your region (or conference) and then B) beat the best in another conference. Regardless of when two teams in the same system play each other, even if they are the two best in the whole state...they eventually will get to the final.

In either system, at any given point, some teams could miss out or get in, that the other system would fix - and vice-versa.

I think the only time people have the biggest problem with it is when their team misses out. As Todd pointed out above, for 1A, the regional system we have is almost perfectly aligned with the 1-16 format. For 3A west, it might be a little less perfect, but I highly doubt the best team in 3A is not going to win because of it though.

I go back and forth on the whole thing, and really the only problem I have with it, as I've mentioned before is that there should be a mandatory minimum regional game schedule for the regular season. I don't know how that would be implemented with all the conferences that get in the way, and without the state being the one who mandates the schedules - but that would at least make the regional brackets a little more realistic. But like I said, the best teams in the state still end up winning in the end. Historically.

And while geographically we aren't as big as most states, look at the travel issues 1-16 creates in WV. Wyoming East has to travel almost 5 hours for a first round playoff game against Frankfort. In years past, it has been Frankfort or Keyser doing the same thing. That sucks for these early round games.

 

[towpath94]

Thing that irks me about the current setup is playing the same teams in the playoffs. 1-16 gives you a bigger variety. Someone mentioned the travel teams have to make in a 1-16 setup. I understand the financial part. On the flip side one of my buddies sons played at Frankfort. Some of his fondest memories from high school and football are those long trips they had to make. I hear the stories all the time.

 

[LinemenWinGames]

I agree, if your team does not want to travel for the playoffs then forfeit the games. The regional format is boring and takes away from the high school experience for kids and the fans. If the regional format was in existence when I played I would not have had the chance to hit EJ Henderson. The kids in the west play each other in every sport from elementary to high school. Then they have to meet the same kids in the playoffs.

This post was edited on 11/11 12:11 PM by LinemenWinGames

 

[LHSlancerFAN]

I understand the States issue with travel, especially in 1A, but I'm sure if you asked the kids, coaches and fans if they would rather make back to back 5 hour bus trips for a playoff game or not make the playoffs at all, they would choose the bus trips. And what is the issue with neutral site games? Many states do it and it seems to work out just fine. Meet in the middle and play your game.

As stated above, 3A is a prime example of this being a flawed system. I firmly believe the best 4 teams in 3A are (in alphabetical order) Damascus, Franklin, Linganore and Urbana. 3 of those teams are in the same region and 1 isnt going to make it out of the first round. That is a complete travesty to me, especially when there are 2, 5-5 teams in the 3A East region. Denying the better teams a chance to go further in the playoffs because of geographic proximity is not a good reason!

 

[doctom4]

Do the WV model with your 3A this year and see how well it turns out.....You had Nos. 23 and 25 make it in a16-team field by my count.