Livestream of FH-Dunbar
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Good job Bigdog, on behalf of every old fat guy who can't make the drive tonight, THANK YOU!
This is nothing new but I've never understood why the fastest person on your team and one of the most talented is on the sideline instead of at safety. A safety is appropriately named as even if your db gets beat you have somebody who can catch just about anybody when you have somebody that is one of the fastest guys in the state. This has been a normal thing at FH over the years but sometimes the fastest just ins't a great football player...is that the case or is there some other reason?
My thought after the preseason that #11 had more upside than #8 at QB. It won't matter against 1A teams, but when you level up, QB play has to be better.
This game is reminding me of the keyser game all those years back. Just have to trust alkire will make the changes that are needed
Morgantown, Clay-Battelle high schools cancel football games due to threats
Morgantown and Clay-Battelle high schools have cancelled their football games Friday night due to threats, according to the Monongalia County Schools.
Catoctin scrimmage, offense seemed a bit smoother, and a tick faster with #11 at QB.
I'm guessing you're talking about Ross, who was a hell of a db when playing on JV. Actually got moved up to Varsity for the playoffs, saw some action at db in the running clock games.
Let's be honest. This game is boys against men. I applaud the effort by FH, but definitely not meant to be.
They bring in 11 at QB, fumbles the ball on the first play.
Couldn't agree with you more. It's not always who practices or scrimmages the best is it? The other thing is if FH wants to be a passing football team then maybe he is the best choice. I'd rather see the alternative and have a running qb and and just stick with the running game.
Well here's the thing, does anybody think the second td for dunbar would have been scored if 5 was chasing instead of 25? I'm not sure of their times but from everything I here and read 5 is just as fast as anybody so having him watch somebody outrun his teammate seems illogical.
Again, nobody in 1a is going to be Dunbar but they have shown the recipe so will be interesting to see what changes FH makes next week.
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This team will improve throughout the season. Much needed experience for them. I admire they aren't quitting.
One day, they will figure out how to beat those guys.
Not sure why the answer to FHs problem is 5. There’s better running backs. Sad part is FH plays a kid from Frankfort that just got to FH on defense over kids that have been in the program and have worked hard to be there. Just by the looks of things he should still be on the sidelines. Probably should rethink that decision
There's two minutes to go in the game and you are on your 5 and you are running the ball...hmmm...
Don't like the idea of just giving up, if you have that little confidence in your qb you gotta rethink the passing game and maybe shake things up.
Don't like the idea of just giving up, if you have that little confidence in your qb you gotta rethink the passing game and maybe shake things up.
Can I start placing my bets with you if those are the lines you’re giving out? Lmao
I would’ve set it at Dunbar -4
The line is the problem all around. Neither FH QB has more than one second to get rid of the ball. Most of the time not even that. Difficult even for a much more seasoned QB. Although, I would still go with #11. The fumble was due to coming in cold and unexpected.
I'm impressed with how FH conducted themselves at the end of the game.
Fort Hill is still a very good team. Very likely the best in 1A.
They will be fine and will once again be in Annapolis come December.
They will be fine and will once again be in Annapolis come December.
This is definitely a rebuild season. I commend how they never quit
FH is not at Dunbar's level this year. An experienced talented team beat a team with a lot of new faces at new places. This game went as expected. Now when we play Hollidaysburg and Briar Woods, that is what I'm interested in. I'm not disappointed, FH will be fine come December.
Unfortunately this game went exactly as I envisioned for the most part. Can't start 7 sophomores vs Dunbar and not expect all the miscues. Tonight was sloppy play from both teams actually.
If I had a big disappointment it was the FH coverage. No safeties with tight man coverage and Dunbar exploited it big time with TD bombs that looked easy.
The dagger was with 30 seconds left in the first half. Score is 12-7 with FH in position to take the lead and you throw a pick six with Dunbar getting the 2nd half kickoff. Ugh!
On the plus side FH kept fighting. That was huge. It's obvious however that FH has major passing game issues with little focus on it this preseason while trying to learn the basics with such an inexperienced line. Especially difficult against a team like Dunbar. Receivers could not get separation, pass pro broke down, QBs with no mobility to escape. That's why FH is down 13 points with the ball under 4 minutes and are running the ball. Big plays were not in the equation for the visitors.
I think FH learned much tonight and gets better for it. Will see the Poets next year. They used a lot of seniors tonight.
If I had a big disappointment it was the FH coverage. No safeties with tight man coverage and Dunbar exploited it big time with TD bombs that looked easy.
The dagger was with 30 seconds left in the first half. Score is 12-7 with FH in position to take the lead and you throw a pick six with Dunbar getting the 2nd half kickoff. Ugh!
On the plus side FH kept fighting. That was huge. It's obvious however that FH has major passing game issues with little focus on it this preseason while trying to learn the basics with such an inexperienced line. Especially difficult against a team like Dunbar. Receivers could not get separation, pass pro broke down, QBs with no mobility to escape. That's why FH is down 13 points with the ball under 4 minutes and are running the ball. Big plays were not in the equation for the visitors.
I think FH learned much tonight and gets better for it. Will see the Poets next year. They used a lot of seniors tonight.
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it was just from massey... I would of taken FH and the under...
Dunbar had their share of miscues. A couple of fumbles. A bad snap on the punt that eventually led to the first touchdown for FH. Again, both teams had their share of sloppy play.
What you give credit to for Dunbar is diversity-- they run the ball. That is what was on film. So FH lines up on defense to stop the run. Dunbar coach is like, OK - you want to take your safeties out? Watch us throw right over the top of you. I think Dunbar had an 80 yard TD pass, another TD pass for like 50 yards, and a few other big gainers that were not for a TD. Even when their receivers caught the ball short, they turned in a big YAC to move the ball.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat: The FH offensive line is still a major work in progress. With every lineman last year from tight end to tackle having graduated it has been the concern since January...everyone I talk with the subject would come up. The growing pains were evident tonight as expected. It's not always a matter of getting beat. A good bit of it is leaving a defender unblocked, missed assignments. But there were many lack of effort blocks that hurt as well. Suspect execution one might expect with a young, inexperienced group against a very good defense. Again, FH is starting 2 sophomores and 3 juniors on the OL with little to no varsity experience. In time they can get where they need to be. I'm not even sure the true starters are set yet.
If you recall, two years ago FH traveled to Old Mill for the second game in the sunshine and heat with some talented running backs (Allen/Willis/Wertz). The OL was a question mark. It was a struggle that day just to get more than two yards rushing on every snap. The difference being that Old Mill wasn't Dunbar and the Sentinels pulled out a last second thriller. The next season with those same linemen you saw what happened. It takes time. Although there will never be another Carter Hess anytime soon if ever.
Before the game, one of my keys was to avoid negative plays. Getting behind on the sticks. FH failed in that category too often. First drive FH goes down the field. Tries to throw on 1st down near the red zone and takes a sack for a 12 yard loss. Drive over. When the passing game is struggling big time it's such a huge risk just attempting to throw when the goal is to move the chains. Because Dunbar isn't going to let you rip off a 13 yard run too often. As mentioned in my earlier post here, not being able to pass was a three-prong problem. Receivers, line and QB were all a part of that equation.
Other issues were that Dunbar has fast kids too. FH could not run the corner with their speedy halfbacks or turn runs into 60 yard touchdowns like you will see against other teams on the schedule. They tried using #5 to get to the outside with his speed but it wasn't going to happen tonight. Plus, there are not going to be any QB bootlegs, draws or taking off scrambling when the receivers are covered this season. That takes a chunk of what FH does offensively off the table.
Looking at positives - Jabril is the work horse on both sides of the ball (no surprise). Yea, he is going to be a big problem for opposing defenses even when they key on him. He was a problem for Dunbar. Willison is a work horse. Those are your senior leaders on a roster that has only 9 total seniors. The FH defensive front took the run away almost completely. I think Dunbar had like 13 yards rushing the first half (but over 120 passing yards on two plays). I was a little concerned with the FH defensive front after two scrimmages and the first two Northern drives. Sophomores anchoring the front. They are learning fast it seems. Already mentioned, but this young team didn't quit punching when they fell behind and things got tough. Despite the line of scrimmage being so young they are deep. Lots of bodies to use and rotate.
Other good opponents await. But none have 11 athletes on the field like Dunbar. Despite the talent and experience gap, FH could have won this game with some better execution, coverage scheme and not tossing that pick six on third down and one right before the half. Dunbar only put together one real scoring drive. The other three scores were on long distance bombs and a pick six. But no question Dunbar is the better team right now.
What you give credit to for Dunbar is diversity-- they run the ball. That is what was on film. So FH lines up on defense to stop the run. Dunbar coach is like, OK - you want to take your safeties out? Watch us throw right over the top of you. I think Dunbar had an 80 yard TD pass, another TD pass for like 50 yards, and a few other big gainers that were not for a TD. Even when their receivers caught the ball short, they turned in a big YAC to move the ball.
Wash, Rinse, Repeat: The FH offensive line is still a major work in progress. With every lineman last year from tight end to tackle having graduated it has been the concern since January...everyone I talk with the subject would come up. The growing pains were evident tonight as expected. It's not always a matter of getting beat. A good bit of it is leaving a defender unblocked, missed assignments. But there were many lack of effort blocks that hurt as well. Suspect execution one might expect with a young, inexperienced group against a very good defense. Again, FH is starting 2 sophomores and 3 juniors on the OL with little to no varsity experience. In time they can get where they need to be. I'm not even sure the true starters are set yet.
If you recall, two years ago FH traveled to Old Mill for the second game in the sunshine and heat with some talented running backs (Allen/Willis/Wertz). The OL was a question mark. It was a struggle that day just to get more than two yards rushing on every snap. The difference being that Old Mill wasn't Dunbar and the Sentinels pulled out a last second thriller. The next season with those same linemen you saw what happened. It takes time. Although there will never be another Carter Hess anytime soon if ever.
Before the game, one of my keys was to avoid negative plays. Getting behind on the sticks. FH failed in that category too often. First drive FH goes down the field. Tries to throw on 1st down near the red zone and takes a sack for a 12 yard loss. Drive over. When the passing game is struggling big time it's such a huge risk just attempting to throw when the goal is to move the chains. Because Dunbar isn't going to let you rip off a 13 yard run too often. As mentioned in my earlier post here, not being able to pass was a three-prong problem. Receivers, line and QB were all a part of that equation.
Other issues were that Dunbar has fast kids too. FH could not run the corner with their speedy halfbacks or turn runs into 60 yard touchdowns like you will see against other teams on the schedule. They tried using #5 to get to the outside with his speed but it wasn't going to happen tonight. Plus, there are not going to be any QB bootlegs, draws or taking off scrambling when the receivers are covered this season. That takes a chunk of what FH does offensively off the table.
Looking at positives - Jabril is the work horse on both sides of the ball (no surprise). Yea, he is going to be a big problem for opposing defenses even when they key on him. He was a problem for Dunbar. Willison is a work horse. Those are your senior leaders on a roster that has only 9 total seniors. The FH defensive front took the run away almost completely. I think Dunbar had like 13 yards rushing the first half (but over 120 passing yards on two plays). I was a little concerned with the FH defensive front after two scrimmages and the first two Northern drives. Sophomores anchoring the front. They are learning fast it seems. Already mentioned, but this young team didn't quit punching when they fell behind and things got tough. Despite the line of scrimmage being so young they are deep. Lots of bodies to use and rotate.
Other good opponents await. But none have 11 athletes on the field like Dunbar. Despite the talent and experience gap, FH could have won this game with some better execution, coverage scheme and not tossing that pick six on third down and one right before the half. Dunbar only put together one real scoring drive. The other three scores were on long distance bombs and a pick six. But no question Dunbar is the better team right now.
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Radio said that Dunbar only had one two way starter. Also a big advantage if true. BTW, I thought the TBO guys were much better this week on the radio.
As usual your insights and analysis are top notch, interesting, and fair!
Tell me this, when you have a qb that just might not be capable of throwing, and the backup is no better, going to a athete/speedy/tough kid at qb and having another weapon/running back in the backfield and giving up on a passing game per se seems like adjusting/adapting/taking what you have an working with it. Almost anybody can throw the five yard swing pass to a back or a rollout and toss 7 yards to a tight end so you can still pass but you aren't just taking your chances every time you let the qb throw.
The two point conversion after fh's second td was laughable. Here you have a qb who you have so little confidence in that you don't even have a two minute offense but you throw a pass that even good passing teams would hardly ever complete. Is that your best two point conversion play? You don't have an inside reverse or wide receiver reverse or qb draw?
I get it's only the second game and I'm not even mad about losing to Dunbar, it was expected. It's troubling that with all that you said above there was still an idea that throwing the ball in this game was part of the game plan.
As far as not having 5 at safety, do you have any insight....can he not tackle? He did have the injury last year so does the staff thinks he so fragile and injury prone you don't want to use him on defense? You have said many times with enrollment numbers and the lack of kids you just have to play all your best players all game both sides of the ball...it seems like that wasn't what happened last night.
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