Keyser v. Frankfort
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Interesting article........
https://scottknowlton.wordpress.com/2015/10/31/keyser-frankfort-football/
https://scottknowlton.wordpress.com/2015/10/31/keyser-frankfort-football/
Good article and if Keyser displayed that type sportsmanship, that is down right horrible. If Bi
Biser did this I would lose all respect for him and the program. Terrible thing to teach the kids
Biser did this I would lose all respect for him and the program. Terrible thing to teach the kids
Calling a time out to force a team to punt as the teams are leaving the field at the half up 54 -0 is awesome great lesson to teach the kids. Nothing better than a fake punt with a 61 -0 lead just a few examples of amazing lessons. Lol pat Keyser on the back and eat h them lose in the playoffs again. Guess that's what you do when the team the prior year made it farther than you ever can.
Slight disagreement with you here.
If it's say FH onside kicking against Alco or Keyser up 22-0 in the 1st qtr, no problem. But it was widely known that this is the worst Frankfort team in years. It wasn't going to be a fair fight to begin with. Is Frankfort any better than say Silver Oak this year? Quite sure Keyser didn't need an onside kick or fake punts to win convincingly against an already out manned team. There were those who thought Keyser had an actual chance to put up 100 on this Frankfort team. Why humiliate the Frankfort kids like that?
I have absolutely no problem with running an onside at 22-0 in first quarter. As the guy in this article pointed out, running a fake punt at 61-0 was certainly not expected, same could be said for that onside at 22-0. I would hope that the reason for the call is so the team could work on something that could be beneficial to them in their playoff run, and not to simply "humiliate" Frankfort and its players.
I do have a slight problem with calling a timeout just to force a punt at 54-0 just before the half. I can certainly understand why he may have decided to do it. He may have wanted his offense to work on trying to score just before the half with little to no time in the half. I just don't see a true benefit to doing this. Even if you wanted to work on this, you aren't going to see a team as bad as Frankfort in the playoffs, so this won't benefit you.
I absolutely have a problem with running a fake punt at 61-0. Yes it is true, one could argue once again that Coach Biser wanted his team to work on certain game situations in life game action as opposed to practice, I for one think that it was in bad taste.
The point that I am trying to clarify is that anyone can come up with legitimate reasons for almost anything. As bad as the fake punt at 61-0 looked, you could argue that he wanted to see his team attempt to execute that in a live game situation with the comfort of knowing that even if it ends up being disastrous, it won't cost them the game.
When you play the same teams year after year, as we do in high school football in this area, you are bound to see some bad blood come about. It is almost inevitable. I only hope that Coach Biser remembers what he did last night the next time he finds him self in the same situation but with his team on the other side. I hope that he handles it with as much class as the Frankfort coaching staff did.
I do have a slight problem with calling a timeout just to force a punt at 54-0 just before the half. I can certainly understand why he may have decided to do it. He may have wanted his offense to work on trying to score just before the half with little to no time in the half. I just don't see a true benefit to doing this. Even if you wanted to work on this, you aren't going to see a team as bad as Frankfort in the playoffs, so this won't benefit you.
I absolutely have a problem with running a fake punt at 61-0. Yes it is true, one could argue once again that Coach Biser wanted his team to work on certain game situations in life game action as opposed to practice, I for one think that it was in bad taste.
The point that I am trying to clarify is that anyone can come up with legitimate reasons for almost anything. As bad as the fake punt at 61-0 looked, you could argue that he wanted to see his team attempt to execute that in a live game situation with the comfort of knowing that even if it ends up being disastrous, it won't cost them the game.
When you play the same teams year after year, as we do in high school football in this area, you are bound to see some bad blood come about. It is almost inevitable. I only hope that Coach Biser remembers what he did last night the next time he finds him self in the same situation but with his team on the other side. I hope that he handles it with as much class as the Frankfort coaching staff did.
Running up the score in the 1st half is not possible. Sorry feelings get hurt. Maybe in a PC world today where everybody gets a trophy, whatever. It's a society where we can't even list the losing pitcher in Little League games anymore. Second half, yea that's another story. You can run up the score sure, but not in the 1st quarter especially. Ridiculous. Kids don't find out life until they leave the shelter of home anymore, which is a horrible lesson. I personally have no problem with any team scoring 100 points on my defense in the first half if I was the coach, none.
I agree Waggle and as a FH and Cumberland football fan this is the type of thing that can get someone hurt and causes too many hard feelings. I will admit when I played I was a Total idiot and that if something like this happened I would of for sure tried to end someone's career and not sure I wouldn't of went after their coach especially this late in the season. Sean Biser does some of the craziest stuff on a football field. In years past he has done the same type things and in some years him trying to throw the football with a lead late has came back to haunt him and he has losses for it.
Complaining about the early onside kick is dumb, Other than that, the other game situations mentioned were uncalled for.
Frankfort should have forfeited and not played the game. That probably would have been best for the kids sake. It would teach them that if you are really bad at something then don't try it all all or you could be demoralized. God forbid somebody did something bad to FRANKFORT. Maybe they can do what they do to everyone else who beats their ass and just drop Keyser in football only. Then cry when Keyser won't play them in other sports.
OMG . I never realized how many tu tu wearing guys there were on this board. Like Todd said. You can't run the score up in the first half. You get as many as you can in the first half. If you have a problem with that you should become a fan of gymnastics or some other girly sport.
As far as the fake punt. Anyone here know why that happened or it just easier to hate on Keyser because they beat your beloved Sentinels this year. Coach Biser offered to shorten the quarters in the second half and play with a running clock like they did against Petersburg. Whiteman basically said go f--- yourself.
With 10 and a half minutes left in the 3rd quarter Keyser put their JV's in the game. Frankfort left their starters in the entire second half. The fake punt came after one of 5 or 6 cheapshots taken the Bible kid against Keyser's JV's. He wasn't able to do that gainst the varsity so he felt like a man doing it to Keyser's JV's. The saddest thing for Frankfort is their starters were only able to outscore Keyser's JV's and Freshman 7-6 in the entire second half
All this was started last year by low class Kevin Watson.(Frankfort Asst.) and his little video. Keyser made their point and then let the younger kids play all but a minute and a half of the second half. Whiteman played his starters the entire second half. Way to get your younger kids ready to play coach
By the way beall02. I remember the one year Mt. Ridge had a good team they ran a fake punt with about 8 minutes left in the game with a 45-0 lead over Keyser. We won't even talk about Devore cheating with illegal cleats in the playoffs
As far as Cumbfanatic,Waggle pass,beall02,bigdawgrefwmd and seasonedlettuce. Send me your addresses and i'll send you a years supply of tampons
I'll never understand FH folks loving on Frankfort. They are one of the teams along with Southern,Northern and Hampshire who makes Todd's job very tough when it comes to putting a schedule together.
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I agree, interesting article. Being a Southern fan for a long time, I've seen local teams do this a lot. Onside kick, no problem, agree with TDHelmick that you can't run the score up in the first half. The timeout and fake punt, not called for. I'm sure all of us have been involved in games where we were on receiving sides of things like this and we did not like it.
And I was the first person on this board that ripped DeVore for doing so. I have also questioned him on some decisions he has made as recent as games early this season.
If I didn't know any better I swear this board was full of a bunch of females with how you all like to bring up crap from the past. DeVore used illegal cleats and illegal butt pads... GET OVER IT.
Bottom line is the last two decisions by Biser were wrong. I guess it is too much to ask an adult to be the bigger person.
And I don't think anyone having an issue with what happened has nothing to do with Frankfort being on the other side. It does have everything to do with what Biser chose to do. It could have been Allegany on the other sideline and I know I would feel the same way. It had everything to do with the situation of the game when he made those decisions.
I guess I am wrong to think that a grown adult head coach could make better decisions than a 17 or 18 year old kid.
The timeout was in the first half. You get what you can get in the first half. After the timeout at the end of the half Keyser ran the ball between the tackles and let the half run out. They didn't call the timeout and throw the ball deep 3 times.As far as the fake punt. I promise you if Whiteman had done the right thing and put his subs in when Keyser put their subs in that fake punt would never have happened.
I've never understood what coaches get out of success with your starters when the other team empties their bench. Allegany did the same thing. Keyser had put their JV's in and Allegany kept their starters in. So at the end when Preaskorn left his starters in to try and get a cheap TD Keyser put their starters back in
If the team leading puts their backups in and the losing team doean't then they deserve whatever they get. One question for anyone. Why did Whiteman leave his starters in against Keyser's JV's and in the end their Freshman team. Seems to me his class should come into question. Keyser called off the dogs and Frankfort still had their starters (Noah Bible) out there taking cheap shots at Keyser's young kids. Typical Frankfort class.Now he can say great job boys. We outscored Keyser's JV and Freshman teams 7-6 with our starters. What an accomplishment
And Keyser offered to shorten quarters in the second half and let the clock run and Whiteman said f--- you.
I've never understood what coaches get out of success with your starters when the other team empties their bench. Allegany did the same thing. Keyser had put their JV's in and Allegany kept their starters in. So at the end when Preaskorn left his starters in to try and get a cheap TD Keyser put their starters back in
If the team leading puts their backups in and the losing team doean't then they deserve whatever they get. One question for anyone. Why did Whiteman leave his starters in against Keyser's JV's and in the end their Freshman team. Seems to me his class should come into question. Keyser called off the dogs and Frankfort still had their starters (Noah Bible) out there taking cheap shots at Keyser's young kids. Typical Frankfort class.Now he can say great job boys. We outscored Keyser's JV and Freshman teams 7-6 with our starters. What an accomplishment
And Keyser offered to shorten quarters in the second half and let the clock run and Whiteman said f--- you.
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Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but everyone keeps referring to Keyser's JV's, Keyser's JV's. What you are actually referring to I assume is the varsity second and third string, not the JV's.
The reason I bring this up is that Frankfort's actual JV team beat Keyser's actual JV team this season. So, are you saying you're just calling them JV's when in reality they are the varsity second and third string, or worst yet, is Frankfort's JV team actually better than their varsity, because from what I've heard, they just might be. Maybe Frankfort should have just started the underclassmen this year, lol.
The reason I bring this up is that Frankfort's actual JV team beat Keyser's actual JV team this season. So, are you saying you're just calling them JV's when in reality they are the varsity second and third string, or worst yet, is Frankfort's JV team actually better than their varsity, because from what I've heard, they just might be. Maybe Frankfort should have just started the underclassmen this year, lol.
I think it was Red52 who had as his tag line, "Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." I guess it was the "Fort Hill refs" fault for not throwing flags when cheap shots were committed. Oh wait.....Keyser won so that can't be it.
So he is supposed to take his Seniors out in their third to last game, against their county rival, just because the other team put their backups in?
And let me be clear, if in fact #33 acted like this, his coaching staff should have and hopefully will address this.
And let me be clear, if in fact #33 acted like this, his coaching staff should have and hopefully will address this.
I only started this thread because of the way people on here like to bitc# about teams running up the score. As for Frankfort playing their starters till the very end, they did the same think last year and look where it has gotten them. Maybe instead of having shaffer throwing while your up by 50 you should have had backups in getting experience.
Tholler13 says about Keyser putting in their JV's. Well from what I've heard from freshman and sophomore parents, there are also juniors on the JV team. Can they play in 2 games in less than 1 week? What I mean is Keyser JV played FH JV on Monday, so they can play in a varsity game on Friday?
