FH needs week 1 game Middletown has week 1 opening TDHELMICK
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Middletown picked up Capitol Christian for Week 1.
Teams that have the same open dates as FH that have said no:
Edgewood, Bel Air, Mervo, Douglass (Balt), Edmondson, Easton, Smithsburg, Brunswick, Westminster, Clear Spring, Hancock, Southern, South Hagerstown (hasn't said no yet), Jefferson, Fairmont Senior, Rising Sun. There are more. I have heard that other Carroll County schools have openings but not sure what weeks they are. None have returned contact. It's frustrating knowing that teams in your own region have the same holes but refuse to play. What a system huh?
Teams that FH has said no to:
Gilman, Henry Wise, Northwest. I don't know what the Frederick County schools are doing other than Brunswick.
There have been options put on the table for many of the teams listed above where FH would pay for that team to travel to Cumberland the first year and then FH would return the game the next year on their own dime. Not sure how anyone could pass that up but the Baltimore City/County schools and Eastern Shore teams all said no even to that offer. It's a pickle.
The whole MVAL situation is crazy right now. Again, I will be surprised if any single Washington or Carroll County school even hints at the notion of playing FH. Maybe South Hagerstown but not counting on it. I don't have a problem making this all public. It should be. Even when FH says no because FH will say no. I doubt any of the Frederick County 3A/4A schools are an option for FH so yes this can be a two way street. One of them maybe, but not 2-3 of these type schools.
With Boonsboro moving to Class 1A West there is a notion among coaches out there that 7-3 might not get you into the regional playoffs. If you have say Linganore, Sherando and South Hagerstown on the schedule you really cannot afford to add another 3A/4A good program. At that point you may have to sweep the Chestnut Ridge/Keyser/Alco teams to get in. It's a horrible, horrible system.
Teams that have the same open dates as FH that have said no:
Edgewood, Bel Air, Mervo, Douglass (Balt), Edmondson, Easton, Smithsburg, Brunswick, Westminster, Clear Spring, Hancock, Southern, South Hagerstown (hasn't said no yet), Jefferson, Fairmont Senior, Rising Sun. There are more. I have heard that other Carroll County schools have openings but not sure what weeks they are. None have returned contact. It's frustrating knowing that teams in your own region have the same holes but refuse to play. What a system huh?
Teams that FH has said no to:
Gilman, Henry Wise, Northwest. I don't know what the Frederick County schools are doing other than Brunswick.
There have been options put on the table for many of the teams listed above where FH would pay for that team to travel to Cumberland the first year and then FH would return the game the next year on their own dime. Not sure how anyone could pass that up but the Baltimore City/County schools and Eastern Shore teams all said no even to that offer. It's a pickle.
The whole MVAL situation is crazy right now. Again, I will be surprised if any single Washington or Carroll County school even hints at the notion of playing FH. Maybe South Hagerstown but not counting on it. I don't have a problem making this all public. It should be. Even when FH says no because FH will say no. I doubt any of the Frederick County 3A/4A schools are an option for FH so yes this can be a two way street. One of them maybe, but not 2-3 of these type schools.
With Boonsboro moving to Class 1A West there is a notion among coaches out there that 7-3 might not get you into the regional playoffs. If you have say Linganore, Sherando and South Hagerstown on the schedule you really cannot afford to add another 3A/4A good program. At that point you may have to sweep the Chestnut Ridge/Keyser/Alco teams to get in. It's a horrible, horrible system.
You know I am partial to you all getting Linganore on the schedule, but South Carroll should also have week 1 open as well since they were our opponent. If there is any interest at all in playing Linganore, just say so I will see if there is anything I can do! (and I fully understand if the answer to that is no)
If FH can fill Weeks 6 and 7 with a 1A opponent (regardless of how good they are) then Linganore might be a yes. So you see the dilemma/philosophy. The problem there is that no 1A size school in any nearby state will play FH. And 90% of the 2A size schools won't either. This is where certain people don't understand why MATHS type teams have been so important.
Also, Frederick Douglass of PG County needs a Week 1 and 2 game as of yesterday. PG County has a travel limit and cannot travel to Cumberland but can to Frederick. Linganore would be a great match up with Douglass PG.
This post was edited on 12/13 3:02 PM by TDHelmick
Also, Frederick Douglass of PG County needs a Week 1 and 2 game as of yesterday. PG County has a travel limit and cannot travel to Cumberland but can to Frederick. Linganore would be a great match up with Douglass PG.
This post was edited on 12/13 3:02 PM by TDHelmick
I'm not sure who our AD has tried but this has been one big debacle. At least we were able to keep Westminster. Good luck with the search and keep us in mind!!
Maybe not even 8-2 in some years. I posted in another thread that Seneca Valley has gone 7-3 and 8-2 the last two seasons in 3A West playing the 3 and 4A schools of MoCo only to be pushed out of the playoffs by South Hagerstown.
Maybe I am too honest sometimes with what I see, but if you were going to play FH I believe next year is the time to do it. They lose some quality seniors/speed and the junior class coming up has limited options. But once this sophomore/freshman class rolls through they have the potential to be as good as the past two FH teams if not more. FH will be solid but youthful next year. I posted in another thread that I told this to a few potential Baltimore opponents who had the same Week 1 open and they said yea but you have that big fullback returning. I thought that was funny. Maybe not knowing how much FH loves the fullback. LOL.
Linganore is hosting Wootton Week 7. That is where Walkersville was previously. Coupled with the fact that Walkersville is playing Blake Week 4 (was Middletown) it probably confirms Walkersville is out for the 3A Frederick County teams + Middletown.
Best guess for Linganore right now:
Week 1- OPEN
Week 2- at Westminster
Week 3- OPEN
Week 4- TJ
Week 5- at Frederick
Week 6- Oakdale
Week 7- Wootton
Week 8- at Tuscarora
Week 9- at Middletown
Week 10- Urbana
They can still fit in 1 road game and have a balanced schedule.
This post was edited on 12/13 4:49 PM by eaglesinsider
Thanks Eagle! If you find out anymore about our schedule, please post!!
I had heard that we were looking for 4 games so I have a feeling we may also need a week 9 game in Middletown's spot.
This post was edited on 12/13 5:19 PM by LHSlancerFAN
I had heard that we were looking for 4 games so I have a feeling we may also need a week 9 game in Middletown's spot.
This post was edited on 12/13 5:19 PM by LHSlancerFAN
No problem. Is Middletown supposed to be down for the foreseeable future? I never thought I'd see them dropping the bigger Frederick schools. Them picking up Capitol Christian is surprising too. CCA is ambitious, but they're not going to draw the top talent in PG County with no facilities and DeMatha, Bishop McNamara and the rest of the DC WCACs in easy reach.
To be honest, I am not sure about the future talent level at Middletown. I think what happened with that game is when the realignment happened, we were no longer in the same division and I think the game was going to be dropped. Maybe Middletown had already filled that week before the rest of the fallout occurred and it was too late to get the game back. But again, that is just my guess and maybe the game will happen this coming year.
In my personal opinion, I see Frederick County staying independent for football, even past next year, and having a league of their own for the rest of the sports. For most sports, the max number of games is 18 and with 10 schools in the county, you play each one twice and there is your 18 games. But with football and the points system, I don't see Brunswick, and a few of the 2A's, playing the larger schools.
In my personal opinion, I see Frederick County staying independent for football, even past next year, and having a league of their own for the rest of the sports. For most sports, the max number of games is 18 and with 10 schools in the county, you play each one twice and there is your 18 games. But with football and the points system, I don't see Brunswick, and a few of the 2A's, playing the larger schools.
Did some more digging on the Fredrick County schedules. Here's the big changes I see from last year so far:
Linganore hosting Wootton Week 7 (was Walkersville)
Tuscarora going to Watkins Mill Week 8 (was Linganore)
Urbana going to Clarksburg Week 6 (was Tuscarora)
Walkersville going to Blake Week 4 (was Middletown)
Frederick playing North Hagerstown Week 7 (was Oakdale)
So maybe Week 8 is the week Linganore is looking for a game.
"Teams that FH has said no to:
Gilman, Henry Wise, Northwest. I don't know what the Frederick County schools are doing other than Brunswick."
I understand not playing Gilman because they are a private school. But why turn down Henry Wise? They are a very well coached team and will give you an example how good So. Maryland schools are.
Gilman, Henry Wise, Northwest. I don't know what the Frederick County schools are doing other than Brunswick."
I understand not playing Gilman because they are a private school. But why turn down Henry Wise? They are a very well coached team and will give you an example how good So. Maryland schools are.
I said the best So. Maryland schools. There are only one or two 1A teams in So. Maryland, and they never produce very good teams. Wise will be a good example of a well coached PG team. I hear a lot of stupid comments on this board like "PG schools are undisciplined", but I understand the ignorance because the admin only brings in bad teams like Capitol Christian. Wise would give you an idea of how high of a level they compete on every week in their region.
Middletown just picked up Eastern Tech from Baltimore County for Week 2.
Should be a lot of new and interesting opponent for the old MVAL schools this year.
Just in the first 2 weeks Middletown has Capitol Christian and Eastern Tech.
Should be a lot of new and interesting opponent for the old MVAL schools this year.
Just in the first 2 weeks Middletown has Capitol Christian and Eastern Tech.
Wasn't sure how I felt at first about the MVAL falling apart but after seeing some of the new football matchups, I'm not going to lie, I absolutely love it! I honestly hope that Frederick County stays Independent, at least for football, so that we can get some good new matchups. I like Linganore's pickup of Wooton, Urbana's of Clarksburg and Middletown's of Eastern Tech. These games are very intriguing for fans and will hopefully add even more excitement to the season.
This post was edited on 12/18 1:29 PM by LHSlancerFAN
Forcing noncompetitive teams to play each other (which usually happens for about the bottom 3rd of any conference) results in annual mismatches ... regardless of school size or location.
How many years will Middletown beat Smithsburg or Williamsport out of 10 years ... probably 10!
Football is a sport that is best served when two teams want to play each other ... hopefully FH and ALCO will find some of these teams in the old MVAL.
How many years will Middletown beat Smithsburg or Williamsport out of 10 years ... probably 10!
Football is a sport that is best served when two teams want to play each other ... hopefully FH and ALCO will find some of these teams in the old MVAL.
Boonsboro did take out Middletown this year! I think it was the first time in over 20 years or something like that.
Per Middletown's twitter page:
North Carroll
@ Eastern Tech
Linganore
@ Boonsboro
Frederick
@ Brunswick
Catoctin
@ Urbana
@ Oakdale
Walkersville
North Carroll
@ Eastern Tech
Linganore
@ Boonsboro
Frederick
@ Brunswick
Catoctin
@ Urbana
@ Oakdale
Walkersville
I think the addition of Catoctin, Brunswick, North Carroll and Eastern Tech show that they arent going to load up on larger schools. They have 3 tough 3A opponents in Linganore, Urbana and Oakdale so why schedule anymore? Don't blame them at all for scheduling some smaller schools. I think this bodes well for Fort Hill and Alco possibly scheduling Middletown in the future.
The Middletown vs. Capitol Christian story for Week 1 is interesting. There is a signed contract that is being broken is all I can say. But how the MPSSAA decides to handle that for a non-MPSSAA member will be the part that is interesting. Because the sanctioned non-member schools, many of them, have stated through the years that it's a one way street with these contracts. If the non-member school breaks one they pay dearly - as in they may not be sanctioned again. But when a member school does it, what is the cost?
I believe CCA will just move on and find someone else. But if they wanted to push the issue they would have a case.
I believe CCA will just move on and find someone else. But if they wanted to push the issue they would have a case.
